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Juke Ninja #1 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:07 PM

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How to get 5 pts in earn OPs....

Step 1, buy Churchill 3

Step 2, load your best crew and full premium rounds...

Step 3, drive right at the enemies using autolock and holding down the trigger.

 

The Churchills bonus xp boost gives it an advantage for any OP that requires XP or finishing Top of your team.

 

 

Now, WG has moved the OP requirements to tier 5 or higher to participate in these earn OPs thats what you have to play against.

 

Everyone pitched a fit about players using the Sexton 1 (usa) at tier 3 for these OPs "Because its bad for the new players to go against, its not good for player retention..." ect.

 

Please explain to me how this is fair for a player that doesn't own a Churchill 3?  

 

You WG don't want new players getting smashed by seal clubbers in overperforming premiums....but its fair to put them at a numerical xp% disadvantage right off the bat for not owning a Chirchill 3? 

 

You want to make these earn OPs fair? Good, but the Churchill is grossly over powered for earning the top spot for these types of "Earn OPs". Even more OP than a Sexton 1. In the Sexton 1 I still had to pull my own, there wasn't some magical xp bonus lifting me up to Top 3 on my team.

 

So, its not fair to seal club noobs, its just fair to cheat them and put them at a disadvantage.

 

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greenteam117 #2 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:13 PM

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the Black Edition tanks also have like 70%+ EXP boosts

 

also, if you do well enough you can beat the Churchill III in EXP. i have done it plenty of times.


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Kaizer Billy #3 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:16 PM

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I totally forgot I could use my Churchill III to this affect, I used to abuse it on Op's that had an xp target but I guess I'll use it for this point Op too! Thanks :trollface:.

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MASHMAN 90 #4 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:22 PM

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Partly agree but people buy the Church because of the XP Bonus, i know i did. Can't blame players for using tanks provided to them by Wargaming. It makes sense to use it if you have one. I wouldn't be best pleased if they nerfed what makes it special.

 

If you want to eliminate Church's from Earn Ops, then ask WG to make Earn Ops Tier 6, Sure we would have T-34-88 but it would eliminate Bogatyr's, Captured KV-1, T67 and also Panzer V/IV which are just as OP (just without the extra Base XP) which players fail to mention. Players can also use the KV-1 with the 57 mm then you have a Church/Captured KV-1 Rate of Fire.

 

Or even better, WG should just do a Churchill 3 earn op, make it easy, Problem Solved as everyone will have a Churchill 3, Reskin or Do a Normal Earn Op for Churchill 3 please WG, no excuses then.


 

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MASHMAN 90 #5 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:24 PM

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View PostKaizer Billy, on 10 August 2018 - 01:16 PM, said:

I totally forgot I could use my Churchill III to this affect, I used to abuse it on Op's that had an xp target but I guess I'll use it for this point Op too! Thanks :trollface:.

 

I only use it for earn ops these days, Tier 5+ requirement, Tier 5 Tank. Other times i normally linger between Tiers 6 to 10.

 

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Albapfalzd3 #6 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:26 PM

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The problem with the Churchill III is that unlike most premium tanks that have only a small percent (if any) of its Bonus XP boost applied to the Base XP score, which the final standings are based on, the Churchill III has a large percentage of it's XP Boost applied. Something like 23% if I remember correctly. So even a mediocre (even poor) performance in the match by a Churchill III can still get it in the top 5 if not the top position. It really is an unfair advantage but it is one you have to deal with. I have one but I rarely play it past it's daily x2. 

 

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 10 August 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

 

I only use it for earn ops these days, Tier 5+ requirement, Tier 5 Tank. Other times i normally linger between Tiers 6 to 10.

 

Makes perfect sense, I kind of forgotten my Churchill for Op's since they changed to points from Xp but silly me forgot the Churchill will get me the 5 points.

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mockney_piers #8 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:28 PM

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jaysus, i always assumed this went purely on base xp, i had no idea any tanks had multipliers applied to calculate that base figure.

That's insane.

assuming of course that's confirmed ^^^

 

*blows dust of churchill III*

 

still, it's just a joyless tank to drive, i'll be damned if I'm going to sit in it for 300 games.



MASHMAN 90 #9 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:31 PM

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View PostAlbapfalzd3, on 10 August 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

The problem with the Churchill III is that unlike most premium tanks that have only a small percent (if any) of its Bonus XP boost applied to the Base XP score, which the final standings are based on, the Churchill III has a large percentage of it's XP Boost applied. Something like 23% if I remember correctly. So even a mediocre (even poor) performance in the match by a Churchill III can still get it in the top 5 if not the top position. It really is an unfair advantage but it is one you have to deal with. I have one but I rarely play it past it's daily x2. 

 

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30% and yeah other day i did 300 damage in tier 6 game (with small Assist like 100-200), Churchill 7 had 800 damage and i got more XP

 

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View Postgreenteam117, on 10 August 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

the Black Edition tanks also have like 70%+ EXP boosts

 

The Churchill gets a secret ingredient XP boost that the Black tanks don't get.

 

View Postgreenteam117, on 10 August 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

also, if you do well enough you can beat the Churchill III in EXP. i have done it plenty of times.

 

Not the point.

 

I guess half my 2000+ base XP games are in my Churchill III. I drive it a lot, but not nearly half my games.



MASHMAN 90 #11 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:32 PM

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View Postmockney_piers, on 10 August 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

jaysus, i always assumed this went purely on base xp, i had no idea any tanks had multipliers applied to calculate that base figure.

That's insane.

assuming of course that's confirmed ^^^

 

*blows dust of churchill III*

 

still, it's just a joyless tank to drive, i'll be damned if I'm going to sit in it for 300 games.

 

Only the Church 3, 30% goes on Base XP, 48% goes to a Premium Tank Bonus.

 

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MASHMAN 90 #12 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:35 PM

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Also about Seal Clubbing, Panzer V/IV, Captured KV-1, Bulwark, T67 and Bogatyr are also Tier V Seal Clubbing Tanks.

 

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Ronin Gaidin #13 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:35 PM

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Or you could just buy your own Churchill III. Even at full retail price it is only 1,500 gold. $6, problem solved.

Or you could play a Tier VI and be in a tank more powerful than the CIII - go around killing them out of spite!

Or you could play Tier VII+ and never even see a CIII. If you are playing Tier V, is it justifiable complain about being out-sealclubbed?

 

View PostMASHMAN 90, on 10 August 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

Or even better, WG should just do a Churchill 3 earn op, make it easy, Problem Solved as everyone will have a Churchill 3, Reskin or Do a Normal Earn Op for Churchill 3 please WG, no excuses then.

 

Make it a reskin so I can have both. :trollface:



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No doubt the Churchill III benefits from the masses of new players at middle tier that have no idea how to deal with that tank. They are easily dispatched by the seasoned players.

 

If you ask me the Capture KV-1 and/or the V/IV are the best choices for the current op, Since German tanks are required for a couple of the other ops.


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View PostRonin Gaidin, on 10 August 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

Or you could just buy your own Churchill III. Even at full retail price it is only 1,500 gold. $6, problem solved.

Or you could play a Tier VI and be in a tank more powerful than the CIII - go around killing them out of spite!

Or you could play Tier VII+ and never even see a CIII. If you playing Tier V, is it justifiable complain about being out-sealclubbed?

 

Oh yeah i forgot, the OI Experimental with 300 damage is KING of Tier 5 in my opinion.


 

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 10 August 2018 - 06:22 AM, said:

Partly agree but people buy the Church because of the XP Bonus, i know i did. Can't blame players for using tanks provided to them by Wargaming. It makes sense to use it if you have one. I wouldn't be best pleased if they nerfed what makes it special.

 

If you want to eliminate Church's from Earn Ops, then ask WG to make Earn Ops Tier 6, Sure we would have T-34-88 but it would eliminate Bogatyr's, Captured KV-1, T67 and also Panzer V/IV which are just as OP (just without the extra Base XP) which players fail to mention. Players can also use the KV-1 with the 57 mm then you have a Church/Captured KV-1 Rate of Fire.

 

Or even better, WG should just do a Churchill 3 earn op, make it easy, Problem Solved as everyone will have a Churchill 3, Reskin or Do a Normal Earn Op for Churchill 3 please WG, no excuses then.

 

I like what you said here. You can't blame players for using tanks provided to them by Wargaming. Churchill 3 is the best 1000 gold I ever spent. Everyone should have one. Its a crew trainer extraordinaire!

 

I think to satisfy the OP, the only solution would be to eliminate the use of premium tanks in all earn ops, but that will never happen. The OP's post is the best plug for anyone to buy a CH3 if they don't have one already. 

 



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View Postwestmech, on 10 August 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

I like what you said here. You can't blame players for using tanks provided to them by Wargaming. Churchill 3 is the best 1000 gold I ever spent. Everyone should have one. Its a crew trainer extraordinaire!

 

I think to satisfy the OP, the only solution would be to eliminate the use of premium tanks in all earn ops, but that will never happen. The OP's post is the best plug for anyone to buy a CH3 if they don't have one already. 

 

 

Yup i spent £5 on it in a Sale (i would have to spend Double otherwise) and best purchase on this game and it doesn't have to be a £30-40 Tank.

 

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Juke Ninja #18 Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:56 PM

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Its pay to win.

Nuff said.



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Meh. 

 

I rarely play my Churchill III anymore.

 

Just git gud, and out perform harder. 


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How about we just make OPs for Tier X vehicles? End game content and all. Oh, and only 1st place should award points... if you're not first, you're last. 

 

I really cannot fathom complaining about one of the oldest premium tanks... in the most base tier... from veteran players. 

 







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