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STB-1 overnerfed 4.6 Nerf reverted Japan Tier 10 Medium

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DutchDragon 99 #1 Posted 28 August 2018 - 05:55 PM

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The whole selling point for the STB-1 used to be that it had the best dpm of the 105 mm mediums, but in return it has really mediocre if not bad gun handling + it's turret and hull armour is not the best.

But now after update 4.6 the base reload has been nerfed to 9 s..... meaning only the E50M reloads slower now.... compared to the M48A5 (reload of 8,38 s), Cent. AX (8,6 s), I guess also the Leo 1 (8,69 s) and ofcourse any of the Russian hovermeds, the STB-1 might as well be a tier 9 now....:(

 

EDIT: Alright, to the ones confused by it, WG reverted the nerf on the STB-1 a while ago, standard reload is back at 8s, so it is again a good tier 10 medium :teethhappy:


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It's a tombstone for Unicums.

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View PostYoUr PaPaDoX, on 28 August 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

It's a tombstone for Unicums.

 

A sad one indeed. 

 

 

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Its not that bad... seriously, the turret armour seems more reliable atleast



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I am absolutely disgusted with this nerf.

The devs nerf tanks based on performance not actual combat effectiveness.

The Patton is like a whole metaphorical tier higher than the STB-1 now!

It has armor! View range! And a better gun!

pretty much ruined the only good thing about the STB-1...should I sell it?? What's even the point anymore. with bia rammer and vents it's 7.49 second reload.... absolutely disgusting...

what the hell??

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  My STB crew needs a new tank .   Which Japanese tank is ghe most competitive (tier 4 tier ) now ?   

 


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View PostSaltyMcD, on 10 September 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

  My STB crew needs a new tank .   Which Japanese tank is ghe most competitive (tier 4 tier ) now ?   

 

 

Just hold on to it until WGA decides if it wants to stop being mentally challenged and remove the nerf on it.



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View PostSaltyMcD, on 10 September 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

  My STB crew needs a new tank .   Which Japanese tank is ghe most competitive (tier 4 tier ) now ?   

 

None. All Japanese tanks are sub-par and not fun to play. Give up playing this nation. 

 



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View PostSaltyMcD, on 10 September 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

  My STB crew needs a new tank .   Which Japanese tank is ghe most competitive (tier 4 tier ) now ?   

 

None. All Japanese tanks are sub-par and not fun to play. Give up playing this nation. 

 



abhiop741 #10 Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:13 PM

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View PostDutchDragon 99, on 28 August 2018 - 06:55 PM, said:

The whole selling point for the STB-1 used to be that it had the best dpm of the 105 mm mediums, but in return it has really mediocre if not bad gun handling + it's turret and hull armour is not the best.

But now after update 4.6 the base reload has been nerfed to 9 s..... meaning only the E50M reloads slower now.... compared to the M48A5 (reload of 8,38 s), Cent. AX (8,6 s), I guess also the Leo 1 (8,69 s) and ofcourse any of the Russian hovermeds, the STB-1 might as well be a tier 9 now....:(

 

Almost as degraded as the AMX30B ! I don't understand why Wargaming decided to nerf so these 2 medium tanks. In reality, as the Leopard I, AMX30B and STB-1 had little armor but great mobility and above all great guns clearly superior to the 100 mm soviet guns.

Now, AMX30B has the worst penetration of all medium tanks of tiers X and STB-1 the second worst reload and even the 100 mm guns of all medium soviet tanks of tiers X pen more.


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It's only a second, I mean count to one in your head, it's not that bad. That said, the DPM was about the only redeeming feature of the STB, it certainly isn't gun handling. The turret armour has always been a bit troll, I've bounced E4 rounds off it and 2 E100 rounds in the same game.

 

I don't understand why they felt it needed a nerf though, I assume because they are doing some sort of stat/performance dump and analysis.

 

As for the 30b, I've never understood why the gun's pen is so low compared to all other 105mm guns and the 100m guns at TX. It's 30mm less than all the other HEAT rounds and off the top of my head the APCR rounds are substantially lower. It's like they're trying to balance the DPM. Reduce the tumour, take 1s off the reload but at least buff the pen.



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I hope none of you actually sold your STB-1...

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View PostHEAT--54, on 19 September 2018 - 06:39 AM, said:

I hope none of you actually sold your STB-1...

 

Nah, too cool looking. Hopefully they see the error of their ways. 

 

 

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So now it is back to normal?

 

Is that the aswer to the uppdate 4.6 ?

 

With this not being the only rebuffed tank what did WG balance team really worked for to make the wot a better game?

 

I i had to pay for the work they did i say it is absolutley not good enough and i would look elsewhere for the future they have not doing there job working clueless achived nothing it is just a waste of time and money and a customer loss leading to a year of zero progress and a stand still.

 

Mercenarys are the only thing added to the game that is worth anything but not to me balance was promiced now that has to be revaluated and we can look forward to a long period of nothing until that happen again.

 

The game can not have this and survive for long players are leaving yes they are because of poor handling poor decisions poor leadership.

 

Someone please take charge get a direction and go for it i will support by bying everything but lets get the game playable and fun please......

 

 



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The reload is back to 8 seconds
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View Postdadnjoshmarines, on 21 September 2018 - 06:47 PM, said:

The reload is back to 8 seconds

 

Good to know, i might start playing the Type 61 again to get the tier 10. No what they can do is reset the AMX 30 B from the highly underpowered tank it is now to the perfectly balanced tank it was before 4.6

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Hey there,

 

Anno 11-1-2019, should I grind for the STB-1? I think it looks awsome. But if it is that bad, I won't make it trough the grind.... And how are the Tier XII-XIII-IX? of the Japanese mediums. 

 

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View PostRongaar, on 11 January 2019 - 09:25 AM, said:

Hey there,

 

Anno 11-1-2019, should I grind for the STB-1? I think it looks awsome. But if it is that bad, I won't make it trough the grind.... And how are the Tier XII-XIII-IX? of the Japanese mediums. 

 

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Yea they reverted the nerf on the STB-1, bringing it's reload back to 8s, I will modify the post so no one will be confused by it anymore.

Quick review:

Tier 7, Chi-Ri: I actually didn't really like this tank: it is huge, and I mean huge: it is is bigger than a tiger.... but then has like halve as much armour. Sure the auto-loader is really nice and can dish out damage quickly, but I found the penetration lacking, sure you can load either your gold ap or flank.... except for the fact that this tank is slow, so yea I didn't like it that much, only good when top tier.

Tier 8, STA-1: I really loved this tank: sure it has no armour, but it's gun is excellent and it is quite mobile, excellent flanker. Though I wonder how much I like it now with all these tier 8-10 lights running around and that Pershing got buffed near tier 9 levels...

Tier 9, Type 61: in 1 word: alright, 90 mm has insane dpm, 105 mm gun is ok but can be derpy, but I will note that I hated the lighthouse cupola you get on the top turret, it got me killed more than once.

Tier 10, STB-1: good medium tank, good reload, turret armour is nicely angled and was buffed but it's not an M48, Axe or any Rusky biasmobile, frontal turret is 250-300 mm, so don't go hulldown and expect to bounce everything.

 

So all in all I would say the STB-1 is worth it, as long as you can handle fast mediums with poor armour in a flanker playstyle.






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