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WGWPAIN #1 Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:06 PM

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Hey All,

 

Just wanted to drop a quick note to let you know that we’re watching the feedback on the Tank Balance changes in 4.6.  As you may know there were a ton of changes to over 300 tanks.  Most of those were due to the move up to 9.20.1 directly and others were the result of those as other tanks in their Tier and Class had changed.  What that means is that a Tank that may have been fine or only slightly OP in 4.5 could be even more OP when facing other tanks that changed due to 9.20.1. 

 

We’ve gathered a list of the tanks most talked about so far and are reviewing the changes.  I’ll post back here later with more information on those tanks and the thoughts behind the changes.  Once the Tank changes have been out in the live game for a few thousand battles, I’ll also post the results of the changes here and we’ll adjust accordingly.

 

Thanks for reading.  Going to lock this tread for now so the next post with info (later today) isn't buried pages deep.


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WGWPAIN #2 Posted 29 August 2018 - 10:02 PM

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It's taking a lot of time to gather and examine all the information and discuss so I'll do this one by one.  Let's start with:

 

Why did you Buff the T-54 (R40_T-54)?

  • Win rate is slightly below average
  • KDR is below average
  • Survival rate is below average
  • Accuracy is below average
  • Penetration % is above average
  • Damage output is below average

Changes made:

100mm LB-1 gun

  • Penetration: 180/235/50 → 190/247/50

Turret 2

  • Front/Side armor: 200/160 → 240/180
  • 100mm LB-1 gun
    • Penetration: 180/235/50 → 190/247/50
  • 100mm D-10T2C gun
    • Gun depression: 5 → 6

 

January 1st through August 27th 2018 game statistics

Tank R40_T-54
Class Medium
Tier 9
Nation Soviet
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Buff
Survival Rate 35.69%
Survival Rank at Tier 10 out of 13 Mediums
Win Rate 49.35%
Win Rank at Tier 11 out of 13 Mediums
Damage per Battle 1,202
Damage Rank at Tier 13 out of 13 Mediums
Damage per Shot Hit 181
Per Shot Rank At Tier 13 out of 13 Mediums
Damage Blocked 463
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 3 out of 13 Mediums
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,361
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 12 out of 13 Mediums
Credits Per Battle 19,634
Credits Rank 12 out of 13 Mediums

 

Note: Averages\Rankings are from a sampling across a wide range of skill levels.  This shows Kill\Death ratio (left hand) across users with a win rating of 45-64 percent (bottom). Yellow line is the baseline for all tanks of that class and tier, blue line is this particular tank.  As you can see it's pretty consistently under performing.

 

 

Hopefully this format is readable, I tried a number of different ways.  It's end of day here now but I'll pick back up first thing tomorrow.  Thanks.


Edited by WGWPAIN, 29 August 2018 - 11:18 PM.

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WGWPAIN #3 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:20 PM

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My day got away from me, which is not all that unusual really.  The above is an example of just some of the things we look at.  We don't stop there.  There's a great video explaining all of this you can see on our youtube channel https://www.youtube....?v=vssb4sJzoF4 

 

More to come.


Edited by WGWPAIN, 30 August 2018 - 10:20 PM.

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WGWPAIN #4 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:32 PM

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Why didn't you change the Waffentrager E-100?

  • Worst winning and almost worst survival
  • Middle of the road on most combat results.

 

Tank G98_Waffentrager_E100
Class Destroyer
Tier 10
Nation germany
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Neither
General Buff / Nerf Desc. N/A
Survival Rate 36.80%
Survival Rank at Tier 11 out of 12 TD
Win Rate 50.06%
Win Rank at Tier 12 out of 12 TD
Damage per Battle 2,141
Damage Rank at Tier 5 out of 12 TD
Damage per Shot Hit 334
Per Shot Rank At Tier 11 out of 12 TD
Damage Blocked 213
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 10 out of 12 TD
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,347
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 6 out of 12 TD
Credits Per Battle 21,785
Credits Rank 9 out of 12 TD

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WGWPAIN #5 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:36 PM

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Why didn't you change the FV215B 183?

  • Didn't see a glaring problem here
Tank GB48_FV215b_183
Class Destroyer
Tier 10
Nation uk
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Neither
General Buff / Nerf Desc. N/A
Survival Rate 48.33%
Survival Rank at Tier 2 out of 12 TD
Win Rate 50.56%
Win Rank at Tier 9 out of 12 TD
Damage per Battle 2,129
Damage Rank at Tier 8 out of 12 TD
Damage per Shot Hit 792
Per Shot Rank At Tier 2 out of 12 TD
Damage Blocked 509
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 9 out of 12 TD
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,333
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 8 out of 12 TD
Credits Per Battle 14,100
Credits Rank 12 out of 12 TD

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WGWPAIN #6 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:38 PM

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Why didn't you change the Super Pershing?

  • Middle of the pack vehicle with solid win rate.
Tank A80_T26_E4_SuperPershing
Class Medium
Tier 8
Nation usa
Premium? TRUE
Buff or Nerf? Neither
General Buff / Nerf Desc. N/A
Survival Rate 41.07%
Survival Rank at Tier 10 out of 47 Medium
Win Rate 49.45%
Win Rank at Tier 33 out of 47 Medium
Damage per Battle 1,057
Damage Rank at Tier 25 out of 47 Medium
Damage per Shot Hit 138
Per Shot Rank At Tier 42 out of 47 Medium
Damage Blocked 1,025
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 1 out of 47 Medium
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,488
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 28 out of 47 Medium
Credits Per Battle 43,337
Credits Rank 30 out of 47 Medium

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WGWPAIN #7 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:41 PM

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Why didn't you change the T57 Heavy?

  • Middle of the pack vehicle with solid win rate.
Tank A67_T57_58
Class Heavy
Tier 10
Nation usa
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Neither
General Buff / Nerf Desc. N/A
Survival Rate 37.06%
Survival Rank at Tier 12 out of 15 Heavy
Win Rate 50.76%
Win Rank at Tier 6 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Battle 2,103
Damage Rank at Tier 5 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Shot Hit 243
Per Shot Rank At Tier 13 out of 15 Heavy
Damage Blocked 718
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 13 out of 15 Heavy
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,494
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 1 out of 12 Heavy
Credits Per Battle 29,175
Credits Rank 8 out of 12 Heavy

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WGWPAIN #8 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:42 PM

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Why didn't you change the T95E2

  • Don't see anything glaring here, esp. with the win rate where it is. 
Tank A81_T95_E2
Class Medium
Tier 8
Nation usa
Premium? TRUE
Buff or Nerf? Neither
General Buff / Nerf Desc. N/A
Survival Rate 37.22%
Survival Rank at Tier 25 out of 47 Medium
Win Rate 50.42%
Win Rank at Tier 22 out of 47 Medium
Damage per Battle 1,205
Damage Rank at Tier 7 out of 47 Medium
Damage per Shot Hit 148
Per Shot Rank At Tier 35 out of 47 Medium
Damage Blocked 502
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 8 out of 47 Medium
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,568
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 18 out of 47 Medium
Credits Per Battle 50,322
Credits Rank 8 out of 47 Medium

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WGWPAIN #9 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:46 PM

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Why did you nerf the AMX 13 105?

  • Arguably, the top performing tier 10 Light. It is doing a lot of damage for a light.
Tank F88_AMX_13_105
Class Light
Tier 10
Nation france
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Reload Time Increased ~ 19%
Survival Rate 46.84%
Survival Rank at Tier 1 out of 6 Light
Win Rate 51.96%
Win Rank at Tier 3 out of 6 Light
Damage per Battle 1,745
Damage Rank at Tier 1 out of 6 Light
Damage per Shot Hit 259
Per Shot Rank At Tier 3 out of 6 Light
Damage Blocked 3
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 6 out of 6 Light
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,374
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 3 out of 6 Light
Credits Per Battle 29,609
Credits Rank 1 out of 6 Light

 

 


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WGWPAIN #10 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:51 PM

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Why did you nerf the E 50M?

  • This one warrants more investigation IMO
  • Maybe armor better than weapon?
Tank G73_E50_Ausf_M
Class Medium
Tier 10
Nation germany
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Reload Time Increased ~ 2%
Survival Rate 36.51%
Survival Rank at Tier 12 out of 12 Medium
Win Rate 51.40%
Win Rank at Tier 5 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Battle 1,975
Damage Rank at Tier 5 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Shot Hit 254
Per Shot Rank At Tier 3 out of 12 Medium
Damage Blocked 662
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 1 out of 12 Medium
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,500
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 4 out of 12 Medium
Credits Per Battle 29,967
Credits Rank 6 out of 12 Medium

 


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WGWPAIN #11 Posted 30 August 2018 - 10:53 PM

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Why did you nerf the 133?

  • Each shot hits HARD for a heavy and winning a lot.
  • Rather than reduce effacy of ammo, reduce # of shots per battle?
Tank Ch22_113
Class Heavy
Tier 10
Nation china
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Accuracy Reduced ~ 3%
Reload Time Increased ~ 4%
Survival Rate 38.45%
Survival Rank at Tier 9 out of 15 Heavy
Win Rate 52.30%
Win Rank at Tier 2 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Battle 1,963
Damage Rank at Tier 8 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Shot Hit 274
Per Shot Rank At Tier 3 out of 15 Heavy
Damage Blocked 1,063
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 10 out of 15 Heavy
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,559
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 3 out of 12 Heavy
Credits Per Battle 31,106
Credits Rank 4 out of 12 Heavy

Edited by WGWPAIN, 30 August 2018 - 10:54 PM.

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Why did you nerf the TVP 50/51?

  • Doing a lot of damage per battle for a medium.
  • Earning a ton of XP due to this.
  • Reduce reload = reduce damage output?
Tank Cz04_T50_51
Class Medium
Tier 10
Nation czech
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Reload Time Increased ~ 11%
Survival Rate 40.71%
Survival Rank at Tier 7 out of 12 Medium
Win Rate 51.74%
Win Rank at Tier 3 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Battle 2,054
Damage Rank at Tier 3 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Shot Hit 208
Per Shot Rank At Tier 11 out of 12 Medium
Damage Blocked 113
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 9 out of 12 Medium
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,559
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 1 out of 12 Medium
Credits Per Battle 29,280
Credits Rank 8 out of 12 Medium

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Why did you nerf the VK 100.01 P?

  • Winning a lot, 
  • Its damage isn't amazing but we reduced its reload and aim.
  • Warrants more review.
Tank G115_Typ_205B
Class Heavy
Tier 8
Nation germany
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Vision Distance Reduced ~ 2%
Reload Time Increased ~ 12%
Aiming Time Increased ~ 10%
Bugs fixed w/ Autotune & Horsepower
Survival Rate 44.27%
Survival Rank at Tier 7 out of 45 Heavy
Win Rate 52.24%
Win Rank at Tier 14 out of 45 Heavy
Damage per Battle 1,182
Damage Rank at Tier 20 out of 45 Heavy
Damage per Shot Hit 219
Per Shot Rank At Tier 11 out of 45 Heavy
Damage Blocked 1,432
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 3 out of 45 Heavy
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,390
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 36 out of 45 Heavy
Credits Per Battle 21,511
Credits Rank 38 out of 45 Heavy

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Why did you nerf the Mauschen?

  • Survival and damage block are high.
  • We found bugs with the autotuning / HP values we inherited
Tank G110_Typ_205
Class Heavy
Tier 9
Nation germany
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Health Reduced ~ 7%
Bugs fixed w/ Autotune & Horsepower
Survival Rate 44.77%
Survival Rank at Tier 2 out of 11 Heavy
Win Rate 51.92%
Win Rank at Tier 2 out of 11 Heavy
Damage per Battle 1,390
Damage Rank at Tier 6 out of 11 Heavy
Damage per Shot Hit 278
Per Shot Rank At Tier 2 out of 11 Heavy
Damage Blocked 1,521
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 2 out of 11 Heavy
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,427
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 6 out of 11 Heavy
Credits Per Battle 23,939
Credits Rank 3 out of 11 Heavy

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Why did we nerf the Maus?

  • Top Survivor
  • Top Winner
  • Top Damage Per Shot
  • Top Damage Blocked
Tank G42_Maus
Class Heavy
Tier 10
Nation germany
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Accruacy when moving chassis & Turret dropped ~ 9%
Reload Time Increased ~ 3%
Aiming Time Increased ~ 10%
Survival Rate 47.95%
Survival Rank at Tier 1 out of 15 Heavy
Win Rate 52.46%
Win Rank at Tier 1 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Battle 1,798
Damage Rank at Tier 11 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Shot Hit 285
Per Shot Rank At Tier 2 out of 15 Heavy
Damage Blocked 2,564
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 1 out of 15 Heavy
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,515
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 5 out of 12 Heavy
Credits Per Battle 32,870
Credits Rank 1 out of 12 Heavy

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Why did we nerf the STB-1?

  • Winning a lot and pouring out damage 
  • Not blocking enough
  • Warrants investigation
Tank J16_ST_B1
Class Medium
Tier 10
Nation japan
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Hull armor refactored (new model?)
Turret and Gun armor buffed ~ 48%
Reload time increased ~13%
Survival Rate 40.24%
Survival Rank at Tier 8 out of 12 Medium
Win Rate 52.08%
Win Rank at Tier 2 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Battle 2,058
Damage Rank at Tier 2 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Shot Hit 245
Per Shot Rank At Tier 7 out of 12 Medium
Damage Blocked 303
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 8 out of 12 Medium
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,558
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 2 out of 12 Medium
Credits Per Battle 28,425
Credits Rank 10 out of 12 Medium

 


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Why did you nerf the AMX 30B?

  • Damage output doesn't look too bad
  • Warrants investigation
Tank F72_AMX_30
Class Medium
Tier 10
Nation france
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc.

Increased turret armor: 80/40/30 → 150/40/30

Increased gun armor

105mm mle F1 gun

Accuracy: .3 → .36 

105mm OFL 105 F1 shell

Speed: 1525 → 1100

105mm OCC 105 F1 shell

Speed: 1000 → 800

Penetration: 260/320/53 → 248/300/53

Survival Rate 44.99%
Survival Rank at Tier 3 out of 12 Medium
Win Rate 50.85%
Win Rank at Tier 8 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Battle 1,924
Damage Rank at Tier 9 out of 12 Medium
Damage per Shot Hit 249
Per Shot Rank At Tier 4 out of 12 Medium
Damage Blocked 110
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 10 out of 12 Medium
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,470
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 8 out of 12 Medium
Credits Per Battle 30,400
Credits Rank 5 out of 12 Medium

Edited by WGWPAIN, 30 August 2018 - 11:28 PM.

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Why did you nerf the AMX 30?

  • Shots do hit hard.
  • Armor increase will help survival.
  • Warrants investigation 
Tank F71_AMX_30_prototype
Class Medium
Tier 9
Nation france
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc.

Increased gun armor

Turret 1

105mm mle F1 gun

Reload time: 10.2 → 11.1

105mm OFL 105 F1 shell

Speed: 1525 → 1100

105mmOCC105F1 shell

Speed: 1000 → 800

Penetration: 260/320/53 → 248/300/53

Turret 2

Increased armor: 80/40/30 → 150/40/30

105mm mle F1 gun

Reload time: 9.9 → 10.8

Survival Rate 43.15%
Survival Rank at Tier 2 out of 13 Medium
Win Rate 51.73%
Win Rank at Tier 2 out of 13 Medium
Damage per Battle 1,500
Damage Rank at Tier 3 out of 13 Medium
Damage per Shot Hit 237
Per Shot Rank At Tier 1 out of 13 Medium
Damage Blocked 112
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 9 out of 13 Medium
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,483
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 6 out of 13 Medium
Credits Per Battle 23,915
Credits Rank 4 out of 13 Medium

Edited by WGWPAIN, 30 August 2018 - 11:31 PM.

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Why did you nerf the Type 5 Heavy?

  • Hits really hard for a heavy.
  • Trying to run-and-gun is now less effective.
  • Found inherited autotune bugs
Tank J20_Type_2605
Class Heavy
Tier 10
Nation japan
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Chassis Rotation Speed Reduced ~ 9%
Bugs fixed w/ Autotune & Horsepower
Survival Rate 45.93%
Survival Rank at Tier 3 out of 15 Heavy
Win Rate 51.74%
Win Rank at Tier 3 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Battle 1,765
Damage Rank at Tier 12 out of 15 Heavy
Damage per Shot Hit 381
Per Shot Rank At Tier 1 out of 15 Heavy
Damage Blocked 2,366
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 2 out of 15 Heavy
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,429
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 9 out of 12 Heavy
Credits Per Battle 31,588
Credits Rank 3 out of 12 Heavy

 


Edited by RaiBOT01, 12 September 2018 - 08:30 PM.

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Why did you nerf the Type 4 Heavy?

  • Found inherited autotune bugs
Tank J25_Type_4
Class Heavy
Tier 9
Nation japan
Premium? FALSE
Buff or Nerf? Nerf
General Buff / Nerf Desc. Bugs fixed w/ Autotune & Horsepower
Survival Rate 43.60%
Survival Rank at Tier 3 out of 11 Heavy
Win Rate 50.95%
Win Rank at Tier 6 out of 11 Heavy
Damage per Battle 1,278
Damage Rank at Tier 10 out of 11 Heavy
Damage per Shot Hit 331
Per Shot Rank At Tier 1 out of 11 Heavy
Damage Blocked 1,760
Damage Blocked Rank At Tier 1 out of 11 Heavy
Vehicle XP Per Battle 1,331
Vehicle XP Rank at Tier 8 out of 11 Heavy
Credits Per Battle 21,820
Credits Rank 7 out of 11 Heavy

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