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FuzzySquirrel21 #1 Posted 16 September 2018 - 03:23 PM

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So I got the mini waffle and I love this TD.   It’s another keeper like the Borsig.   So after learning camo, should I go for silent driving or muffled shot?.   Both are handy in a lot of situations.   And that top 128 is glorious, reloading in 8.81 seconds lol, absolutely ridiculous!.


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Fishfood50 #2 Posted 16 September 2018 - 03:28 PM

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Well muffle works all the time in every game and driving only helps sometimes. I know what I would do. But what other skills have you got?

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There is a webpage wotinfo.net

 

Just put your tank in to the camo calculator and you can see the camo levevls by chosing all or some of the skill/ perks even net and consumables and the level of progrees from levelingnup the crew also what density of bushes might have effect on comoflage.

 

A very good site to make decisions about what to add to your fav tank.



FuzzySquirrel21 #4 Posted 16 September 2018 - 03:32 PM

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It’s only a young crew, only BiA, SS and currently learning camouflage.

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steelheadclan #5 Posted 16 September 2018 - 03:33 PM

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Both are obviously usefull. 

Il’d get silent driving first as it helps you get into and away from a position undetected and any position should allow you to drop into cover and loose your spot 

honestly I have muffed shot on a lot of my lights and TD’s and feel it’s benefits while useful to be small. 

On mediums and TD’s silent driving is noticeable. 



StockrA #6 Posted 16 September 2018 - 03:43 PM

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On my lights I go SD then MS and the opposite on TD's

 


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View PostFuzzySquirrel21, on 16 September 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

It’s only a young crew, only BiA, SS and currently learning camouflage.

 

Personally I'd be going for view skills first, but each to their own.

SlashingYew172 #8 Posted 16 September 2018 - 03:57 PM

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you need both, but my order of preference is: silent driving for turret-less TDs, muffled shot for anything else. Also, SD gives you 50% chance vs MS's 25%, so it is better overall if you look at it that way.

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View Poststeelheadclan, on 16 September 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

Both are obviously usefull. 

Il’d get silent driving first as it helps you get into and away from a position undetected and any position should allow you to drop into cover and loose your spot 

honestly I have muffed shot on a lot of my lights and TD’s and feel it’s benefits while useful to be small. 

On mediums and TD’s silent driving is noticeable. 

^this^ Staying out of sight is a higher priority.  Muffled Shot is somewhat dubious in one’s perception of its effectiveness, but Silent Driving is quite obviously noticeable once it’s fully trained. (keep in mind that you have a big gun... big gun=big boom=firing still has a high likelihood of giving away your position if you’re within the view range of your target)  I find that MuffShot is most effective in double-bush situations.... and no, that’s not a pun... :-P



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View PostFishfood50, on 16 September 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

Personally I'd be going for view skills first, but each to their own.

When I started my Waffle Crew I went SS, Camo, BiA, Sit. Aware, Green Thumb, MuffShot, Recon, Silent Drive, Snapshot.... in that order. Also have Off Road Driving, Repairs, Clutch Braking, and training up Des. Target..... my Waffle Crew is OPAF.



korbendallas-01 #11 Posted 16 September 2018 - 04:14 PM

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View PostFuzzySquirrel21, on 16 September 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

So I got the mini waffle and I love this TD. It’s another keeper like the Borsig. So after learning camo, should I go for silent driving or muffled shot?. Both are handy in a lot of situations.

 

Depends on the way you drive I would say. In any case, the four camo skills should be slot 3-6.

 

You know about Wotinfo's camo calculator?



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View PostFishfood50, on 16 September 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

Personally I'd be going for view skills first, but each to their own.

 

In a tank like this you usually have scopes deployed, that should cover most situations.

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View PostBrogueOne, on 16 September 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Muffled Shot is somewhat dubious in one’s perception of its effectiveness

 

That's true, but it helps in the situation where you camo value is lowest.

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I would personally train muffled shot first. Go for both of them obviously, cause their both useful. But IMO muffled shot would be better trained first. You are a support class and so you shouldn't really be that far forward where silent driving would be needed. You should be in and around the 3rd line somewhere providing surprising fire for the 2nd and 1st lines. So muffled shot would aid you in that endeavour. My opinion of course. ;):)

fozfactor #15 Posted 16 September 2018 - 05:01 PM

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Doesn't matter how quiet the gun is once you've been detected. I would go for SD first. In general terms, sometimes a tank has to travel wide open swaths to get where it needs to go to be most effective.
 

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View PostStockrA, on 16 September 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

On my lights I go SD then MS and the opposite on TD's

 

Silent Driving is useless for most light tanks.

 

Silent Driving: Decreases the effect / penalty that movement has on the tank's camouflage factor by 50%. This perk is more effective when combined with the Camouflage skill

 

If you check a light tank like the M-41, you will see in the modules/armour screens that its camo factor is 0.27 both stationary and moving, so the penalty for moving is 0 and you gain 50% of 0 which is 0.

 

Now, if you look at an other sort of light, that are more medium/heavy than light, like the Valentine, the camo factor is 0.31 when stationary and 0.23 when moving, so you'd gain 50% of 0.31-0.23, that's 0.04.

 

Really, you'd have to check for every tank, but it is useless for most light tanks.

 

Edit : I had switched the camo factors for the Valentine, the higher is when stationary obviously, but it isn't easy when you have to look up the numbers in game and then write them down on the computer...


Edited by fnurke, 16 September 2018 - 05:21 PM.


fnurke #17 Posted 16 September 2018 - 05:12 PM

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BTW, if you don't believe me check http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/94172-silent-driving-how-does-it-actually-work/

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It might have a placebo effect..

 

Or, well, if it did now you ruined it.

 

edit: on the bright side you now have an extra skill on all your lights 


Edited by Qugstav, 16 September 2018 - 05:18 PM.


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View Postfnurke, on 16 September 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

 

 

I can confirm that silent driving is a useless perk to take as a scout. It doesn't effect them like the other classes seeing how scouts retain their camo while on the move anyway. :)



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View PostQugstav, on 16 September 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

It might have a placebo effect..

 

Or, well, if it did now you ruined it

 

No worries, live and learn. :)




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