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Brass Drag0n #1 Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:37 PM

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What the hell have WG done to this tank?

 

It was one of my keepers from the French line, I did well in it and I enjoyed playing it...

 

Well I've pulled it out of my garage and, oh boy, has something changed with this tank. 

 

Slow inter-clip reload + glacial full reload + massive aiming bloom if you so much as sneeze in the tank + near permanent tier 9 & 10 matchmaking = a really horrible tank.

 

Plus the tier 8-10 light tanks (particularly the French ones) that are now in every match all seem to hit harder than it for more HP damage.

 

 Did WG "balance" this tank or has it just been power-creeped into obsolescence?

 

Either way, another beloved tank is on my sell list, thanks WG.


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dreadnought8283 #2 Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:41 PM

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I'm not sure exactly but was going to go down that line sooner. However I just got the bc 12t an I've eaten that tank alive a couple times now, but I won't blame the tank probably was the players.

MASHMAN 90 #3 Posted 09 October 2018 - 06:42 PM

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Reload has always been 48 seconds far as i can remember. In fact in 4.6 it got buffed.

 

AMX 50 100

  • 90mm F3 gun
    • Gun Depression: 6 → 9
  • 90mm canon DCA 45 gun
    • Gun Depression: 6 → 9
  • 100mm SA 47 gun
    • Gun Depression: 6 → 9

 

 


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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 09 October 2018 - 06:42 PM, said:

Reload has always been 48 seconds far as i can remember. In fact in 4.6 it got buffed.

 

AMX 50 100

  • 90mm F3 gun
    • Gun Depression: 6 → 9
  • 90mm canon DCA 45 gun
    • Gun Depression: 6 → 9
  • 100mm SA 47 gun
    • Gun Depression: 6 → 9

 

 

 

Yeah. what Mash said. I didn't notice any changes to the tank itself. I've played it for ages. In fact, the gun depression was a nice boost. 

 

But, on the other hand, the high tier light hordes are bad for this tank if alone. Never go anywhere solo. Think of it as the token blonde in a horror flick. Once you're alone, you're dead.



Road Runnerdn #5 Posted 09 October 2018 - 07:53 PM

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It hasn't been touched and is not powercreeped. 1600 clip at tier 8 will always be relevant.

Brass Drag0n #6 Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:04 PM

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I must have forgotten how to play it then, because its really trolling me at the moment.

 

(Although you can't always trust WG's improvements - they 'improved' the 110 and that was terrible afterwards)

 

Getting all 6 rounds to hit/pen is still something of a miracle. 


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MASHMAN 90 #7 Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:27 PM

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View PostBrass Drag0n, on 09 October 2018 - 08:04 PM, said:

I must have forgotten how to play it then, because its really trolling me at the moment.

 

(Although you can't always trust WG's improvements - they 'improved' the 110 and that was terrible afterwards)

 

Getting all 6 rounds to hit/pen is still something of a miracle. 

 

Yep, aim time is terrible, i play it the same as a Waffle only worse aim time and accuracy.

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donny007-THX #8 Posted 10 October 2018 - 03:13 AM

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Folks.....remember there are the actual stats that are in the program files.  WG can do what ever they want to your tank data file that will not be published in the available stats.  Gun accuracy can be stated as .36 but what is in the coding is a different matter.

 

I would have to see the actual program files to make any determination on whether or not a tank has been messed with.


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P6X330 #9 Posted 02 March 2019 - 12:23 AM

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Here's a little battle I had in my 50-100;;;

 

Sorry for the raucous background....


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Bibo1GerUk #10 Posted 20 March 2019 - 07:20 AM

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Is the Radioman also the loader in this tank?

I just realized in one of my vids the reload on the 90mm DCA 45 went up from 32.57 seconds to 38.84 and the only damage was to the Radio operator. No modules destroyed. There's also no icon for an individual loader. Never realized it before and I've nearly unlocked the last package :facepalm:


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P6X330 #11 Posted 20 March 2019 - 12:58 PM

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View PostBibo1GerUk, on 20 March 2019 - 01:20 AM, said:

Is the Radioman also the loader in this tank?

I just realized in one of my vids the reload on the 90mm DCA 45 went up from 32.57 seconds to 38.84 and the only damage was to the Radio operator. No modules destroyed. There's also no icon for an individual loader. Never realized it before and I've nearly unlocked the last package :facepalm:

 

In many French tanks, the radio is also the loader. They dumped the five men crew to four men crew.

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Aliyat EJ #12 Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:47 PM

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I have 51k XP and can either get the last package or I can continue on to the Tier IX tanks. What do you guys recommend?
1. Get the top Package
2. Get the Lorraine 40T
3. Get the AMX 50 120
4. Go back and get the AMX 65T

Will getting the top Package reduce the XP needed for the Tier IX tanks?

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P6X330 #13 Posted 06 June 2019 - 01:45 AM

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The last package of the 50-100 is the 100mm gun SA47;

 

Both the Lorraine and the 50-120 use the 100mm SA47;

 

Purchasing the last package of the 50-100 will not change the total XP required to unlock either the 50-120 or the Lorraine 40t, but for both these tanks, the first upgrade package should come at zero XP.

 

You may skip purchasing the last gun package of the 50-100, but then you will have to earn the necessary XP to get to the 100mm SA47 of whatever tank you pick (50-120 or Lorraine 40t). It will be unlocked backward on the 50-100 once you get it from either 120/40t.

 

I would recommend that you get the 100mm on the 50-100, it is that gun that makes the tank. In the same way, the 50-120 requires the 120mm gun to really unleash its potential.

Unlike the AMX M4 Mle 51 for which I skipped the 127mm gun, which has a slower reload and a lesser pen. I will also ignore the 130mm gun package of the M4 Mle 54.

 

Watch the game in my post above. It is played with the 100m gun.

 

 


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Aliyat EJ #14 Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:13 AM

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Thank you for the write up.

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P6X330 #15 Posted 06 June 2019 - 01:36 PM

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View PostAliyat EJ, on 05 June 2019 - 09:13 PM, said:

Thank you for the write up.

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You are welcome; and keep in mind the 50-120 and 50B brother play like medium tanks. The only french tanks that really play like heavies are the M4 Mle 51 and 54, as long as you can only front the enemy and hide your chassis.

 

Use the relative speed to assist and continuously relocate when possible and if appropriate.

 

I have two battles in my 50B and I have already discovered the hard way that I need to stay back more....


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BlahCarnivore6 #16 Posted 07 June 2019 - 07:03 PM

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Lots of great info, thanks. I will be getting it tonight. Then grinding it for the 40T. Will probably wait on the 50 120 as I will need another crew and it just sounds more difficult to play.

I am so tired of the tier 7 M4 45, we are not friends.

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View PostBlahCarnivore6, on 07 June 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

Lots of great info, thanks. I will be getting it tonight. Then grinding it for the 40T. Will probably wait on the 50 120 as I will need another crew and it just sounds more difficult to play.

I am so tired of the tier 7 M4 45, we are not friends.

 

If you do not have a crew with the minimum four, I would suggest you get one together first. That is what I did for my Lorraine 40t; while on the tail of the Spring Bravo games and the 2 times XP, I fast tracked a crew with BiA, 6S, SA, Reckon. These work well on any tank.

I am about 70k shy of getting the M4 54, and I am doing Spring games Charlie to train yet another crew. I will use the AMX Chaffee to do that. I takes 24/26 battles to get from zero to 100% for the first four competencies. I train mentor first though...

Even with its 400 m view range, and SA+R, my Lorraine 40T gets outspotted in Tier X battles.


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BlahCarnivore6 #18 Posted 08 June 2019 - 06:30 PM

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I got the 50 100 and it's fun! Free xp'd the last upgrade and I enjoy it. Gun is a little troll and the tank is team dependent, roll with a group for the reload. You have to use every bit of terrain and cover because it's a glass cannon.

I was running the chaffee last night as well for crew training with crew boosts to get my bat chat 12T and 50 100 crew on thru their 5th perks.

I've read most of your posts on the French tanks and the chaffee crew training, great job by the way!

I run mentor, BIA, 6th, SA or camo, and then recon, in that order.

Still struggling with the playstyle of the chaffee as it doesn't play the same as it's TT brothers. It's the speed and general sluggishness I believe, but will eventually adapt to it.

I watched your vids on both the 50 100 and the chaffee as well. Clone guy has a good video on the 50 100 playstyle as well.

P6X330 #19 Posted 08 June 2019 - 07:59 PM

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View PostBlahCarnivore6, on 08 June 2019 - 12:30 PM, said:

I watched your vids on both the 50 100 and the chaffee as well. Clone guy has a good video on the 50 100 playstyle as well.

 

I am not in Clone Guy's league unfortunately... I am just a very average guy.

 

I watch a lot of his streams, I don't always agree with his rhetoric, but he is a very good player, you can't take that from him. 

 

However, I tuned to a clan named "Metal Gaming", and they are extremely good too. I try to learn, but it does not work like that.

 

I am trying to be more conservative than aggressive, which turns out to be the correct attitude. I prefer the 50-120 over the 50-100. And I am having a very hard time with the 50B so far.


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View PostP6X330, on 06 June 2019 - 01:45 AM, said:

The last package of the 50-100 is the 100mm gun SA47;

 

Both the Lorraine and the 50-120 use the 100mm SA47;

 

Purchasing the last package of the 50-100 will not change the total XP required to unlock either the 50-120 or the Lorraine 40t, but for both these tanks, the first upgrade package should come at zero XP.

 

You may skip purchasing the last gun package of the 50-100, but then you will have to earn the necessary XP to get to the 100mm SA47 of whatever tank you pick (50-120 or Lorraine 40t). It will be unlocked backward on the 50-100 once you get it from either 120/40t.

 

I would recommend that you get the 100mm on the 50-100, it is that gun that makes the tank. In the same way, the 50-120 requires the 120mm gun to really unleash its potential.

Unlike the AMX M4 Mle 51 for which I skipped the 127mm gun, which has a slower reload and a lesser pen. I will also ignore the 130mm gun package of the M4 Mle 54.

 

Watch the game in my post above. It is played with the 100m gun.

 

 

 

View PostP6X330, on 06 June 2019 - 01:36 PM, said:

 

You are welcome; and keep in mind the 50-120 and 50B brother play like medium tanks. The only french tanks that really play like heavies are the M4 Mle 51 and 54, as long as you can only front the enemy and hide your chassis.

 

Use the relative speed to assist and continuously relocate when possible and if appropriate.

 

I have two battles in my 50B and I have already discovered the hard way that I need to stay back more....

 

I totally agree with ^These^. With regards to the 50 100, it's the final gun package that really make this a decent tank and the same goes for the 50 120. These are not typical Heavies. They have absolutely no armor but angled properly you can get a shot to bounce every now and again but don't count on it. I play mine in two different ways, One is I try to bait tanks to take shots at me (hoping they miss) and then put 2 or 3 shots into them before they reload then get back into cover and repeat. The other, and what both these tanks are great at, is hitting distracted Reds. Find a Red that is fighting other Greens and just put every round you can into them while they are not looking at you and then get back into cover to reload. 

 

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