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PANDoGGA #1 Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:39 AM

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last info from Paingod from 07.September:

 

We will continue to monitor tank performance next week paying specific attention to the following vehicles:

  • E 50M (G73_E50_Ausf_M)
  • TVP 50/51 (Cz04_T50_51)
  • STB-1 (J16_ST_B1)

 


 

And 18. September:

STB-1

  • Buff
  • Reload time reduced from 9 -> 8

 

 

 

 

 

That' it:(

 


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KilledByPing #2 Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:44 AM

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Yap, WGCB think we forgot about it and doesnt seem going to do anything.

But the truth is, those who cared about this tanks simply left the game after that bullcrap nerfs.



FinlandRed #3 Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:03 AM

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Sadly, I think I may reinforced their decision with the E50M when I did this Wednesday night. Looks like it's working as intended.

 

 

 



MaxChaos24 #4 Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:47 AM

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View PostPANDoGGA, on 12 October 2018 - 03:39 AM, said:

last info from Paingod from 07.September:

 

We will continue to monitor tank performance next week paying specific attention to the following vehicles:

  • E 50M (G73_E50_Ausf_M)
  • TVP 50/51 (Cz04_T50_51)
  • STB-1 (J16_ST_B1)

 


 

And 18. September:

STB-1

  • Buff
  • Reload time reduced from 9 -> 8

 

 

 

 

 

That' it:(

 

 

The other tanks didn't need any adjustments after monitoring their performance. :honoring:

karpiu211 #5 Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:52 AM

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 October 2018 - 11:47 AM, said:

 

The other tanks didn't need any adjustments after monitoring their performance. :honoring:

 

LOL :D

Jope2209 #6 Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:53 AM

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Does this mean that Type 5 is still under monitoring for overperforming in medium class?

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 October 2018 - 05:47 AM, said:

 

The other tanks didn't need any adjustments after monitoring their performance. :honoring:

 

Some of us think they do... ;-)

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there are just so many amx 30s and e50 in the game. definitely an issue with those tanks, need another nerf

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Kangourouge #9 Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:10 PM

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AMX 30s for example

Jope2209 #10 Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:11 PM

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View PostDwarfOnDrugs, on 12 October 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

there are just so many amx 30s and e50 in the game. definitely an issue with those tanks, need another nerf

 

I still haven't touched my E50 since 4.6...just stands there like an orphan...Too scared to take it out..

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 October 2018 - 05:47 AM, said:

 

The other tanks didn't need any adjustments after monitoring their performance. :honoring:

I think you need new monitoring staff


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 October 2018 - 11:47 AM, said:

 

The other tanks didn't need any adjustments after monitoring their performance. :honoring:

 

Max, one question. Regarding the E50 and the nerfs on gun handling. The gun was nerfed because it had similar reload and aim time as tier X gun on M version. Ok, that is top gun, 10.5 cm and tier IX shouldn't have same stats as top tier. BUT!

Following the same logic, how can top gun on Panther II perform better than that same gun on E50? Panther II has L100 8.8 cm and aim time is 2.2 sec, compared to 2.9 on E50.

 


 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

3 MoE tanks: T-34, Pz IVH, Tiger I, Pz.Kpfw. T 25

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 October 2018 - 05:47 AM, said:

 

The other tanks didn't need any adjustments after monitoring their performance. :honoring:

I just find it amazing it took them 4 years to nerf anything, you got it all wrong and nerfed tanks that had no business being nerfed, then after waiting those 4 years to nerf anything you moniter for 1 extra week to determine if you really messed  it all up. (And of course after investigating yourself you found no wrongdoing). Just amusing is all.

 

But hey, my T54 got a buff. Cheers guys.


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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 06:15 AM, said:

 

Max, one question. Regarding the E50 and the nerfs on gun handling. The gun was nerfed because it had similar reload and aim time as tier X gun on M version. Ok, that is top gun, 10.5 cm and tier IX shouldn't have same stats as top tier. BUT!

Following the same logic, how can top gun on Panther II perform better than that same gun on E50? Panther II has L100 8.8 cm and aim time is 2.2 sec, compared to 2.9 on E50.

 

Are you sure you're not looking at the 7.5mm l/100 on the P2 vs. The 8.8 l/100 on the e50?

 

And the e50 gun was fine. Had way less pen. Should have been worse mobility than the M but because WGUSA didnt know how to balance their tanks in like 2015 or whatever it was when they tried to implement the PC German rebalance we got a borderline OP E50


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View PostAJR568, on 12 October 2018 - 12:19 PM, said:

Are you sure you're not looking at the 7.5mm l/100 on the P2 vs. The 8.8 l/100 on the e50?

 

And the e50 hun was fine. Had way less pen. Should have been slower than the M but because WG didnt know how to balance their germs  tanks in like 2015 or whatever it was when they tried to implement the PC German rebalance we got a borderline OP E50

 

No...Panther II 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

 
7.5 Rate of Firerounds/min
 
2.2 Aiming Time sec
 

0.3 Dispersion at 100 m

 

E50f III, 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

 
9.09 Rate of Fire rounds/min
 
2.9 Aiming Time sec
 
0.3 Dispersion at 100 m
 

Edited by Jope2209, 12 October 2018 - 12:29 PM.

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 06:21 AM, said:

 

No...Panther II 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

 
7.5Rate of Firerounds/min
 
2.2Aiming Time sec
 

0.3Dispersion at 100 mm

Stock e50 turret maybe? Idk.

 

WG USA have proved inconsistent anytime they attempt to balance anything. 


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Just An0maly #17 Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:25 PM

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If I am reading this correctly, the TVP is officially dead then.

Great ...

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View PostAJR568, on 12 October 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

Stock e50 turret maybe? Idk.

 

WG USA have proved inconsistent anytime they attempt to balance anything. 

 

Both are top packages on both tanks. L100 88 is also top package on E50, yes there is 10.5 cm too, but still 88 L100 would be viable option if aim time would be at least the same as on its tier VIII predecessor.

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostJust An0maly, on 12 October 2018 - 06:25 AM, said:

If I am reading this correctly, the TVP is officially dead then.

Great ...

Nerfed because only good players played it. And now that's it's horrible the baddies will never get it. RIP TVP


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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

 

No...Panther II 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

 
7.5Rate of Firerounds/min
 
2.2Aiming Time sec
 

0.3Dispersion at 100 m

 

E50f III, 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

 
9.09Rate of Fire rounds/min
 
2.9Aiming Time sec
 
0.3Dispersion at 100 m
 

Thought I'd highlight this bit as I find it makes the E50 much better than the Panther 2

 

Apparently improving it's loading mechanism made it's aimtime worse 







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