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Just An0maly #21 Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:33 PM

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View PostAJR568, on 12 October 2018 - 06:28 AM, said:

Nerfed because only good players played it. And now that's it's horrible the baddies will never get it. RIP TVP

 

They've nerfed the top tank in the line into oblivion (second nerf of the TVP finally killed it). RIP indeed.

Then, to offset the lack of data (because we all stopped playing it) did a discount on Czech tanks to get the uninitiated to spend gold to work their way up the line (free xp).

Classic.

RIP Czech line

 



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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 07:27 AM, said:

 

Both are top packages on both tanks. L100 88 is also top package on E50, yes there is 10.5 cm too, but still 88 L100 would be viable option if aim time would be at least the same as on its tier VIII predecessor.

Yes it's actually better see my previous post



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View PostJust An0maly, on 12 October 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

 

They've nerfed the top tank in the line into oblivion (second nerf of the TVP finally killed it). RIP indeed.

Then, to offset the lack of data (because we all stopped playing it) did a discount on Czech tanks to get the uninitiated to spend gold to work their way up the line (free xp).

Classic.

RIP Czech line

 

Only thing WG can properly balance is their cheque book


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View PostSovietdeath, on 12 October 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

Yes it's actually better see my previous post

 

I know that ROF is higher as it should be, but aim time on Panther II is making it far better at snap-shots. 2.9 sec aim time is Soviet standard for 122 mm guns.

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

 

I know that ROF is higher as it should be, but aim time on Panther II is making it far better at snap-shots. 2.9 sec aim time is Soviet standard for 122 mm guns.

....... Read what you just said, but slower



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View PostSovietdeath, on 12 October 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

....... Read what you just said, but slower

 

I read it really slow but still says Panther II aims fully in 2.2 sec without equipment and consumables. E50 aims in 2.9 sec, which is btw only 0.1 sec worse  better than 10.5 cm aim time. And 10.5 cm was touched in 4.6. 

And it was a game changing nerf.


Edited by Jope2209, 12 October 2018 - 12:58 PM.

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

3 MoE tanks: T-34, Pz IVH, Tiger I, Pz.Kpfw. T 25, M7

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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 06:49 AM, said:

 

I read it really slow but still says Panther II aims fully in 2.2 sec without equipment and consumables. E50 aims in 2.9 sec, which is btw only 0.1 sec worse than 10.5 cm aim time. And 10.5 cm was touched in 4.6. 

And it was a game changing nerf.

For what it's worth on PC the 8.8 l/100 has a 2.0 second aimtime lol


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View PostAJR568, on 12 October 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

For what it's worth on PC the 8.8 l/100 has a 2.0 second aimtime lol

 

I think this is obviously overlooked (on purpose?). How can tier VIII have better gun hadling than tier IX with the same gun?

 

E50 should have aim time with L/100 8.8 reduced to 2.1 sec. That would make some sense, considering the nerf on 10.5 cm gun and the explanation they've served us. Higher tier tank in the same line should be better than its predecessor. E50 aims fully at 2.9 sec and its predecessor aims fully at 2.2 sec with THE SAME GUN...How is that consistent with recent nerfs on 10.5 cm gun?


 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

3 MoE tanks: T-34, Pz IVH, Tiger I, Pz.Kpfw. T 25, M7

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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 07:05 AM, said:

 

I think this is obviously overlooked (on purpose?). How can tier VIII have better gun hadling than tier IX with the same gun?

 

E50 should have aim time with L/100 8.8 reduced to 2.1 sec. That would make some sense, considering the nerf on 10.5 cm gun and the explanation they've served us. Higher tier tank in the same line should be better than its predecessor. E50 aims fully at 2.9 sec and its predecessor aims fully at 2.2 sec with THE SAME GUN...How is that consistent with recent nerfs on 10.5 cm gun?

WGUSA has no idea what theyre doing. That's the explanation. The one they gave for the e50 is a line of crap. They just have no clue what they're doing.


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View PostAJR568, on 12 October 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

WGUSA has no idea what theyre doing. That's the explanation. The one they gave for the e50 is a line of crap. They just have no clue what they're doing.

 

I rest my case...

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostAJR568, on 12 October 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

For what it's worth on PC the 8.8 l/100 has a 2.0 second aimtime lol

 

I believe PC E50 has even better DPM (ROF), so not only that it aims faster it dishes out dmg faster.

 

Edit: It's even worse than I thought. This is taken from tanks.gg

 

Weaponry 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

DPM 3,003.43
Damage 240
Penetration (mm) 223
Reload time (sec) 4.79
Rate of fire (rnds/min) 12.51
Aim time (sec) 1.92
Dispersion 0.28
 
And these are Console stats for E50/Panther II
Gun 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100 8.8cm KwK 46 L/100  
Gun Tier IX IX  
Rate of Fire (rpm) 9.09 7.50  
Reload Rate (seconds) 6.60 8.00  
Aim Time (seconds) 2.90 2.20  
Accuracy 0.30 0.30
Damage Per Minute (DPM) 2182/2182/2682 1800/1800/2212  
Minimum DPM 1636/1636/2012 1350/1350/1659  
Maximum DPM 2728/2728/3352 2250/2250/2765  

Edited by Jope2209, 12 October 2018 - 01:29 PM.

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

 

I read it really slow but still says Panther II aims fully in 2.2 sec without equipment and consumables. E50 aims in 2.9 sec, which is btw only 0.1 sec worse  better than 10.5 cm aim time. And 10.5 cm was touched in 4.6. 

And it was a game changing nerf.

 

Aiming isn't snap-shotting bro, also the DPM in my opinion makes it a much more viable option on the E50. 



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And this is E50 on PC with Stabs, Vents and rammer, plus food and some skills/perks. If this isn't scary, than I don't know what it is.

 

Weaponry 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

DPM 3,638.86
Damage 240
Penetration (mm) 223
Reload time (sec) 3.96
Rate of fire (rnds/min) 15.16
Aim time (sec) 1.76
Dispersion 0.26

 


 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

3 MoE tanks: T-34, Pz IVH, Tiger I, Pz.Kpfw. T 25, M7

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View PostSovietdeath, on 12 October 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

 

Aiming isn't snap-shotting bro, also the DPM in my opinion makes it a much more viable option on the E50. 

 

I've never said it is. Would you say that longer aim time helps tank being better at snap-shots?

 

DPM helps, E50 is tier IX, has more HP, deals more dmg, like higher tier should do. But E50 is not just a sniper, it's the heaviest medium tank, it has some armor, it should stay close to the front and flank and brawl when possible. Snap-shots were E50's trademark, but with 2.90 sec aim time you are better off camping in the back of the map with fellow TD's.


Edited by Jope2209, 12 October 2018 - 01:43 PM.

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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WGCB doesnt like unicum players and do everything they can to drove them away. Thats the answer. No point of asking why they did this unreasonable nerf and when they going to revert that bullcrap (they wont).

 

Heck, they Nerfed T100LT RoF (which is indeed OP) instead of outrageous gunhandling while moving which was the real problem. And then reverted RoF nerf aswell lol. You know why ? Because tons of scrub lords stop raping everything.


Edited by KilledByPing, 12 October 2018 - 01:41 PM.


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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

And this is E50 on PC with Stabs, Vents and rammer, plus food and some skills/perks. If this isn't scary, than I don't know what it is.

 

Weaponry 8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100

DPM 3,638.86
Damage 240
Penetration (mm) 223
Reload time (sec) 3.96
Rate of fire (rnds/min) 15.16
Aim time (sec) 1.76
Dispersion 0.26

 

 

Hmmmm...My E50 has my medium super crew with 19 perks sat in. Imagine the carnage with a full APCR loadout. It would be like the offspring of the rampanzer and E25 on steroids.


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View PostFinlandRed, on 12 October 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

 

Hmmmm...My E50 has my medium super crew with 19 perks sat in. Imagine the carnage with a full APCR loadout. It would be like the offspring of the rampanzer and E25 on steroids.

 

Carnage would be to put it mildly. :teethhappy:

 

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostJope2209, on 12 October 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

Carnage would be to put it mildly. :teethhappy:

 

I'm willing to try it in pubs with those stats if they need a beta tester. I've three marked it already so I guess I'd be shooting for 100% rating. :izmena::trollface:


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God wg ur idiots you cant base a tanks balance off of 1 statistic win ratio its clear you idiots dont care as clearly as you dont play your own game bc didnt need a nerf neither did tvp idiots just need to learn how to play now e50m and every other medium that also got nerfed like wthr u morons thinking? Its clear that you dont think

 



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Leave balance n map creation alone your morons do the easy stuff like [edited]updates and reskins stick to that its what ur good at





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