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SirDerp-a-lot #1 Posted 16 November 2018 - 07:14 AM

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In January I took notice of the AMX 13 57 and its rapid-firing gun. As I do before I buy a premium tank, I looked at some Youtube videos, one of which compared it to the AMX Chaffee. The result was that the tanks are very similar, but since it was a tier VI, the AMX Chaffee was a lot cheaper in real money. So I bought the AMX Chaffee.

 

I loved it from the beginning. My second game brought in 2112 base XP, and I make more High Calibers in it than in any other scout. Great tank in any scout role from spotting to mopping up.

 

This week I got the "special" offer to buy the AMX 13 57 for a good price. I was still interested, so I bought it. So far I've taken it out eight time. The two tanks are so similar that it's hard to not compare them.

 

The biggest difference, and the reason the 13 57 is no match for the AMX Chaffee is the power-to-weight ratio. The AMX Chaffee has a p/w ratio of 28.23, the 13 57 has one of 17.01. I have four tier VII medium, three of them have a better p/w ratio than the 13 57. It's slooow. The speed is usually #2 in the list of the AMX Chaffee's shortcomings, but it's a Formula One car compared to this brick.

 

The guns are almost identical in terms of accuracy (0.36 vs. 0.37), aim time (both 2.3), penetration (AP: 143 vs. 144, APCR: 195 vs. 202) and damage (clip damage is higher for the AMX Chaffee, 810 against 720, but DPM is slightly better in the 13 57). However, the very short intra-clip reload of the 13 57 means that the aim time cannot keep up with the rate of fire.

 

I run both tanks on full APCR, stabilizer, optics and vents, small kits and auto-FE. I made the comparison with very similar crews, same skills and only 1 % difference in the skill they are learning.

 

I won't sell the 13 57 or anything, but so far it's a dud.

 

Now here comes the interesting part: Everyone disagrees with me. Shocker, I know.

 

The best two tier VII light tanks in terms of winrate are the AMX 13 57 and the HMH AMX 13 57. The AMX Chaffee is on place #6 (out of 13). K/D again place #1 and #2 for the 13 57s, the AMX Chaffee would however share the #2 spot. Average damage: #1 and #3 for the 13 57s, #4 for the AMX Chaffee.

 

So I wonder: What am I missing? Why is everyone using this medium-speed tank with a short-range gun to tear up the opposition. And more importantly: How?



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I also let myself succumb to the temptation of the 13 57 after much consideration since I, as you, also have the AMX Chaffee. I have no clue as to why the 13 57 has a higher winrate. For me, the most annoying thing about the 13 57 is what you also mention, namely the aim time not being able to keep ud with the firing rate. So much so that I've considered running GLD instead of optics or vents... The Chaffee is somewhat decent at sniping, whereas the 13 57 is all over the shop.

I think the higher winrate of the 13 57 comes down to better survivability. The 13 57 has almost 50% more HP than the Chaffee (890 vs. 600), and the 13 57 also has slightly better camo (63 vs. 58). These two factors make it the more forgiving of the two. That juicy 290 extra HP really allows you to make a mistake or two during the match. In the Chaffee it's "BOOM! You're dead".

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Well I've never played a the Chaffee but in my 13 75 I'd run from a 13 57 if I thought they were a good player lol dang tanks are mean! Tbh I'd love to see a merc t8 light/td with the l/100 57mm gun, bc 12 hull, and the hawk 12's final turret an would call it the marksman.

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I have both and love both. But the 13 57 is more like a fun tank, the chaffee more a crew trainer. If I would have to pick one, I would use the 13 57!

 



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I bought it too.

And i agree that the Chaffee behaves better.

In fact the Chaffee if played cautiously can perform even in a tier IX battle, by comparison i had super hard times with the 57 at same tier.

But at tier VII the 57 is an assassin way more than the Chaffee.


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mer0u1 #6 Posted 16 November 2018 - 10:06 AM

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Owning both light tanks as well, I like both of them.

I won't say I prefer one over the second but since its tier change F224 AMX Chaffee is not quite the same anymore. It was really entertaining at tier VI but definitely is not suit for tier VII with its structure points. And I bought it at its very first release. So I earnt more than 700K exp on it that far.

When it was tier VI, I played a few games facing tier X and already earnt high caliber medals (an AMX 50 B had a very, very bad time with me on Dragon Ridge back in those days).

Now, both tanks have their own kind of gameplay, even if it seems close. Since I have a 15 skills french crew, I put vents, GLD and vertical stabilizer on both tanks. And this combination is really useful. And efficient, considering the way I play with them.

But now, for tier VII, I'd rather like playing with my HMH: AMX 13 57 over the F224 AMX Chaffee. Of course, the late one has a better mobility, which is 13 57 biggest weakness, but the 13 57's burst is way funnier. F224 AMX Chaffee does not have enough structure points, even if they aren't really necessary to play with light tanks, if you know how to play with light tanks. You need to rely on other features such as mobility and recon.

Now, as you pointed out, 13 57's gameplay is closer to medium's than light's. And this makes a huge difference in term of gameplay, because you can be more agressive and not just supportive. F224 AMX Chaffee is a true light tank, best for passive scouting, even if F224 AMX Chaffee's DPM is better. 13 57 is a bit more permissive than F224 AMX Chaffee, in terms of mistakes on the battlefield.

My favorite medium tank is Skoda T 50 so I've learnt to play without relying on armor. So that's why I don't have any real trouble with those two light tanks.

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1357 is for killing lone opponents. Be sneaky with it. It's not for circling in the open like a snakebite. Pletend it's a medium.

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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 15 November 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

In January I took notice of the AMX 13 57 and its rapid-firing gun. As I do before I buy a premium tank, I looked at some Youtube videos, one of which compared it to the AMX Chaffee. The result was that the tanks are very similar, but since it was a tier VI, the AMX Chaffee was a lot cheaper in real money. So I bought the AMX Chaffee.

 

I loved it from the beginning. My second game brought in 2112 base XP, and I make more High Calibers in it than in any other scout. Great tank in any scout role from spotting to mopping up.

 

This week I got the "special" offer to buy the AMX 13 57 for a good price. I was still interested, so I bought it. So far I've taken it out eight time. The two tanks are so similar that it's hard to not compare them.

 

The biggest difference, and the reason the 13 57 is no match for the AMX Chaffee is the power-to-weight ratio. The AMX Chaffee has a p/w ratio of 28.23, the 13 57 has one of 17.01. I have four tier VII medium, three of them have a better p/w ratio than the 13 57. It's slooow. The speed is usually #2 in the list of the AMX Chaffee's shortcomings, but it's a Formula One car compared to this brick.

 

The guns are almost identical in terms of accuracy (0.36 vs. 0.37), aim time (both 2.3), penetration (AP: 143 vs. 144, APCR: 195 vs. 202) and damage (clip damage is higher for the AMX Chaffee, 810 against 720, but DPM is slightly better in the 13 57). However, the very short intra-clip reload of the 13 57 means that the aim time cannot keep up with the rate of fire.

 

I run both tanks on full APCR, stabilizer, optics and vents, small kits and auto-FE. I made the comparison with very similar crews, same skills and only 1 % difference in the skill they are learning.

 

I won't sell the 13 57 or anything, but so far it's a dud.

 

Now here comes the interesting part: Everyone disagrees with me. Shocker, I know.

 

The best two tier VII light tanks in terms of winrate are the AMX 13 57 and the HMH AMX 13 57. The AMX Chaffee is on place #6 (out of 13). K/D again place #1 and #2 for the 13 57s, the AMX Chaffee would however share the #2 spot. Average damage: #1 and #3 for the 13 57s, #4 for the AMX Chaffee.

 

So I wonder: What am I missing? Why is everyone using this medium-speed tank with a short-range gun to tear up the opposition. And more importantly: How?

 

I also feel the AMX Chaffee is superior to 13 57

That  low speed maneuverability is huge. 

I also prefer AMX gun and find AMX more versatile to various situations. 

 


 


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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 16 November 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

In January I took notice of the AMX 13 57 and its rapid-firing gun. As I do before I buy a premium tank, I looked at some Youtube videos, one of which compared it to the AMX Chaffee. The result was that the tanks are very similar, but since it was a tier VI, the AMX Chaffee was a lot cheaper in real money. So I bought the AMX Chaffee.

 

I loved it from the beginning. My second game brought in 2112 base XP, and I make more High Calibers in it than in any other scout. Great tank in any scout role from spotting to mopping up.

 

This week I got the "special" offer to buy the AMX 13 57 for a good price. I was still interested, so I bought it. So far I've taken it out eight time. The two tanks are so similar that it's hard to not compare them.

 

The biggest difference, and the reason the 13 57 is no match for the AMX Chaffee is the power-to-weight ratio. The AMX Chaffee has a p/w ratio of 28.23, the 13 57 has one of 17.01. I have four tier VII medium, three of them have a better p/w ratio than the 13 57. It's slooow. The speed is usually #2 in the list of the AMX Chaffee's shortcomings, but it's a Formula One car compared to this brick.

 

The guns are almost identical in terms of accuracy (0.36 vs. 0.37), aim time (both 2.3), penetration (AP: 143 vs. 144, APCR: 195 vs. 202) and damage (clip damage is higher for the AMX Chaffee, 810 against 720, but DPM is slightly better in the 13 57). However, the very short intra-clip reload of the 13 57 means that the aim time cannot keep up with the rate of fire.

 

I run both tanks on full APCR, stabilizer, optics and vents, small kits and auto-FE. I made the comparison with very similar crews, same skills and only 1 % difference in the skill they are learning.

 

I won't sell the 13 57 or anything, but so far it's a dud.

 

Now here comes the interesting part: Everyone disagrees with me. Shocker, I know.

 

The best two tier VII light tanks in terms of winrate are the AMX 13 57 and the HMH AMX 13 57. The AMX Chaffee is on place #6 (out of 13). K/D again place #1 and #2 for the 13 57s, the AMX Chaffee would however share the #2 spot. Average damage: #1 and #3 for the 13 57s, #4 for the AMX Chaffee.

 

So I wonder: What am I missing? Why is everyone using this medium-speed tank with a short-range gun to tear up the opposition. And more importantly: How?

  

  200+ HP at same tier, nuff said.

 



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View Poststeelheadclan, on 16 November 2018 - 04:54 AM, said:

 

I also feel the AMX Chaffee is superior to 13 57

That  low speed maneuverability is huge. 

I also prefer AMX gun and find AMX more versatile to various situations. 

 

 

I would say they play in different courts, and both have a lot to be liked for.

The most difficult to play is the AMX Chaffee, because of its low hit points pool. You really have to avoid getting hit at all costs.


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AMX chaffee has been around longer so that could result in the lower win rate.  It did have to deal with +4 MM for the majority of its life.  

I'd like to blame my -30 win deficit on that fact...or that it's just french and cursed.

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Have both. Love both. Prefer Chaffee. Just...

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View Postmer0u1, on 16 November 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

the 13 57's burst is way funnier.

 

I think this is not only true, but might be the reason why it doesn't work for me so far. I've seen a similar thing with the T49, I was focusing on the weapon too much.

 

I will give it some time to settle, and I will keep the other things in mind that you guys mentioned!

 

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View PostLoodacriz, on 16 November 2018 - 09:10 PM, said:

AMX chaffee has been around longer so that could result in the lower win rate. It did have to deal with +4 MM for the majority of its life.

 

Good point!

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View PostCapn Ratchet45, on 16 November 2018 - 04:34 PM, said:

200+ HP at same tier, nuff said.

 

So given the difference in my WN8 of more than 2400, less HP is good?

 

Who knew....



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View PostLysith3a, on 16 November 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

Have both. Love both. Prefer Chaffee. Just...

 

I had an incredible game on Skorpion Pass yesterday, when the 13-57 unleashed all its potential. 5 kills, and I was denied the sixth by our own Arty. Of course, I was top Tier, so it is always easier, nevertheless, these 5 kills were at point blank, including a heavy.

The Chaffee is fun in its own right, in a different way.


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What i definitely hate about the 57 is its low horse power make it super bad at climbing even soft hills.

They should allow us to install enhanced tracks on it.


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View PostFunktastic Ed, on 17 November 2018 - 02:21 AM, said:

What i definitely hate about the 57 is its low horse power make it super bad at climbing even soft hills.

They should allow us to install enhanced tracks on it.

 

250 hp..... it is less than the engine  of my car, lol....

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This is what can be done with an AMX Chaffee. My third F224 game of the morning, the previous two being defeats.

 

This is with a favorable match making, and this is a good example of what can be accomplished in this tank, especially when one of your team mate works with you!

 

Nothing exceptional in this replay excepted for the fact that we win the game, contribute to deliver the base.


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View PostP6X330, on 17 November 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

 

250 hp..... it is less than the engine  of my car, lol....

That maybe true, but I bet your car can't drive over the tops of cars nor fill them with a clip of a 8 shots :justwait:






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