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Knipsel CrunchU #41 Posted 20 February 2019 - 04:57 PM

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I have both and not sure which I prefer.  For pure fun, 13 57.  AMX Chaffee's gun is better for me.  My favorite moment was a 2 man platoon of 13 57s, we hold our shots as we roll up on a camping Tiger P.  Unleash at same time.  He was dead in 7 seconds.  It took him 3 seconds to realize he was getting shot.  I only wish Chaffee had more ammo.  You have to carefully choose your shots or you can easily run out of ammo.

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Why someone take camo net as equip on AMX CHAFFE? O yea camper.

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View PostSpeedyCZECH, on 02 April 2019 - 02:15 AM, said:

Why someone take camo net as equip on AMX CHAFFE? O yea camper.

 

or undetected spotter? binocular + camouflage net, camouflage, green thumb, situational awareness, reckon, muffled shot?

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Orbtastic1 #44 Posted 05 April 2019 - 12:50 PM

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It's a bad play-style for a light tank or a tank with good camo on the move (and stationary) and mobility. It hurts my eyes to see lights played this way.

 

You don't have the accuracy or pen to snipe people so you're relegated purely to the role of passive spotter which means that you're completely ineffectual on 50% of maps before you even move 1m and the other 50% you're in a really predictable spot which people will focus/blind fire/rush.



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View PostOrbtastic1, on 05 April 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

It's a bad play-style for a light tank or a tank with good camo on the move (and stationary) and mobility. It hurts my eyes to see lights played this way.

 

You don't have the accuracy or pen to snipe people so you're relegated purely to the role of passive spotter which means that you're completely ineffectual on 50% of maps before you even move 1m and the other 50% you're in a really predictable spot which people will focus/blind fire/rush.

 

I would think there is not anything cast in concrete in terms of play style when related to a specific tank. I would dare to say that everything is opponents and map related. You will never play exactly the same way twice, thank god for that.

 

We both agree the AMX Chaffee is not a sniper. If you shoot standard rounds, a lot of them are bound to ricochet when they don't miss altogether.

The passive spotter role is never a long lasting one. I don't think anybody will manage a full battle with intentionally omitting to fire a single shot. Although there may be some examples.

 

I have played my AMX Chaffee equipped with Camouflage and Binoculars, just to understand, and I have to agree with you, it is not the best fitting for that kind of tank. You need to be on the move.


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Orbtastic1 #46 Posted 05 April 2019 - 01:12 PM

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Sure, every map is different and I've never been the sort of light tank player who goes on some suicide run but there has to be a way of playing that is common. I think I play all my lights the same - same loadout, same playstyle, same tricks. Obviously some of the high tier ones have some armour and you can actually sidescrape and troll tanks, particularly those that autoaim and/or fire heat etc.

 

I have played one light with binocs and camo and that was the Chaffee when I was trying to get the last 1% on 3 MOEs and I literally got the one map that was perfect for it (this is before the proliferation of lights in the game). On the other maps I was pretty useless, my view range on the move was terrible and I couldn't be offensive enough or engage from outside 350m because I would just get spotted.



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View PostOrbtastic1, on 05 April 2019 - 07:12 AM, said:

Sure, every map is different and I've never been the sort of light tank player who goes on some suicide run but there has to be a way of playing that is common. I think I play all my lights the same - same loadout, same playstyle, same tricks. Obviously some of the high tier ones have some armour and you can actually sidescrape and troll tanks, particularly those that autoaim and/or fire heat etc.

 

I have played one light with binocs and camo and that was the Chaffee when I was trying to get the last 1% on 3 MOEs and I literally got the one map that was perfect for it (this is before the proliferation of lights in the game). On the other maps I was pretty useless, my view range on the move was terrible and I couldn't be offensive enough or engage from outside 350m because I would just get spotted.

 

I don't think I have played the AMX Chaffee before the lights' invasion.

 

So far, my best experience with it, was to play part of a platoon, before platoons assemblage were redefined and the thank was bumped to Tier VII.


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View PostP6X330, on 03 April 2019 - 11:07 PM, said:

 

or undetected spotter? binocular + camouflage net, camouflage, green thumb, situational awareness, reckon, muffled shot?

With this light is better to be active. You dont have pene for long shots. Optic, vertical stabi, ventilation. Passive game play with him cant be funn.



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View Postsgt x G3NnRzZ, on 19 December 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

AMX Chaffee buff, Health and mobility in the future

 

Actually a split. Buff AMX Chaffee‘s health and 13 57‘s mobility.

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View PostSpeedyCZECH, on 06 April 2019 - 12:41 AM, said:

With this light is better to be active. You dont have pene for long shots. Optic, vertical stabi, ventilation. Passive game play with him cant be funn.

 

Now that the Vanguard is out, the 13-57 has lost its appeal to be played passively.

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I just completed an interesting battle with the AMX Chaffee, and I decided to post it here.

 

It is a Team Destruction, Tier IX, however the bulk of the tanks are Tier VII, so I do not consider it a "bottom Tier" battle.

 

Interesting because I get hit twice, and the shots don't pen. Tracked only. As my stats prove, I am an average player, and I must also say that yesterday, I was one shot twice in two consecutive battles. Playing the AMX Chaffee is not for everybody, not because it is not a fun tank, but for those who get frustrated easily, this tank can really get under your skin.

For those who are vouching for a buff, if you can manage to dodge the shots aimed at you, you can still come out strong.

 


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I can understand differing performances. Despite their similarities they have very different acceleration and shell damage. The chaff can rock in and out of cover to unload a clip, the 57 has to commit. I think the those and the reloads alter the attitude of the player. 

 

The 57 is more like tier 2/3, running about with a machine gun. The Jocochaff feels slightly more demanding, but can be more rewarding when it works out. I also wonder how the shell costs and silver earning add up. I don't know, but I would expect the 13 57 is cheaper to run. 



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The AMX Chaffee is a challenge these days, low hp means getting to the end game now feels a lot more rewarding. It's very much an underdog but I think the fact that most people dismiss it as ineffectual means it gets underestimated. I still play it a few times a week as an active scout. I really like the dual team 120% crew xp boost.

 

The AMX 13 57 is the fun one, once you get that mobility under control with perks, skills and octane it can overwhelm lower tiers, and irritate the hell out of upper ones. It's a awesome support light, and the sound of a full clip going in is just glorious. I've had a whole heap of fun with a two man platoon, one 13 57 and one chaffee. The distraction of an AMX 13 57's circle of death together with the AMX Chaffee peek a booming is wonderful.



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And here is my successive battle in the AMX 13-57; this is for direct comparison; I am doing the La Machine contract, and going through the daily doubles. The 13-57 was next in line after the AMX Chaffee.

 

Again, we are in a Tier IX battle, but this time, the bulk of the tanks is at Tier VIII; as funny as it may be, I finish at exactly the same place as with the AMX Chaffee on the previous battle.

 

So which one of them is the one to have? I would say both!


Edited by P6X330, 04 May 2019 - 01:24 AM.

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f1mitku #55 Posted 04 May 2019 - 09:16 AM

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Definitely AMX 13-57 is the better one - mainly due to its better MM, then better health pool and more fun (machine) gun. Still lacking some agility (engine power) and the pen is not that good. 

 

AMX Chaffee should receive normal MM and higher HP buffs at first to become normal vehicle. But some unicums want it to stay hecked due to the challenge and to show how good are they with such handy capped turd. At least it has good pen and it’s dual trainer. 


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View Postf1mitku, on 04 May 2019 - 03:16 AM, said:

Definitely AMX 13-57 is the better one - mainly due to its better MM, then better health pool and more fun (machine) gun. Still lacking some agility (engine power) and the pen is not that good. 

 

AMX Chaffee should receive normal MM and higher HP buffs at first to become normal vehicle. But some unicums want it to stay hecked due to the challenge and to show how good are they with such handy capped turd. At least it has good pen and it’s dual trainer. 

 

The AMX Chaffee has standard match making since they bumped it up from Tier VI to Tier VII.

Both AMX's are Tier VII now, and see up to Tier IX. If you care to watch the videos I posted until the end, you will see what the main difference is between the to:

2100 damage in the AMX Chaffee equates to 5,453 XP outwith 20% boost for the Crew

2750 damage in the AMX 13-57 equates to    4,830 XP

 

Did you notice that for both tanks, the raw XP value obtained is 1388?

 

The AMX 13-57 is easier to play, but the AMX Chaffee in good hands is an amazing tank!

 

 

 

 


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I still prefer the AMX Chaffee.

There are situations where the 13 57 has an obvious advantage but overall I prefer how the AMX Chaffee plays.

Nimble, reliable and trechorous.


 


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The Chaffee needs a major speed increase. The new wave of premium lights eat it up these days. It's just too slow to evade any other light that decides to hunt it down.

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View PostTea-boi, on 29 July 2019 - 01:06 AM, said:

The Chaffee needs a major speed increase. The new wave of premium lights eat it up these days. It's just too slow to evade any other light that decides to hunt it down.

 

Best way to play the Chaffee 13, passive scout and end game killer, you can't compete with any light tanks except lower tier, the Lycan/T71 is your worst ennemy and most derp guns send you to garrage in one hit.

Don't take no risk till the end game, keep your health full till clearance then end the suffering of wounded ennemies., even a Conqueror is not happy to see you when he has only few SP left and no more escort.


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View PostP6X330, on 05 April 2019 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

I would think there is not anything cast in concrete in terms of play style when related to a specific tank. I would dare to say that everything is opponents and map related. You will never play exactly the same way twice, thank god for that.

 

We both agree the AMX Chaffee is not a sniper. If you shoot standard rounds, a lot of them are bound to ricochet when they don't miss altogether.

The passive spotter role is never a long lasting one. I don't think anybody will manage a full battle with intentionally omitting to fire a single shot. Although there may be some examples.

 

I have played my AMX Chaffee equipped with Camouflage and Binoculars, just to understand, and I have to agree with you, it is not the best fitting for that kind of tank. You need to be on the move.

Friend of me told me if i start to play light tank s. Light tank who ist stand= death light tank and i agrrrreeee with him. 






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