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iDriveAStang #1 Posted 06 December 2018 - 04:58 AM

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Countless games my friends and I are always in the Top 5 on LOSING teams. How can it be fair that you or your platoon gets punished for the poor performance of other players? Me and some friends were discussing that the Top 5 on the losing team should receive a small percentage boost to XP and silver if more than 50% of the team didn't contribute in any way. Thoughts?

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There is already a system in place to award players on the losing team the same xp as if they won if they earn a epic/hero medal.

 

Yes this is a team game and, unfortunately, your going to be on the team that loses regardless of how well you play.


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View Postkiller etzi0, on 05 December 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

There is already a system in place to award players on the losing team the same xp as if they won if they earn a epic/hero medal.

 

Yes this is a team game and, unfortunately, your going to be on the team that loses regardless of how well you play.

 

I don't think the platooning medals count in that, right?  Would be an interesting addition since there are only so many epic medals to be earned.  If your 5 man platoon takes up the top 5 spots and does 75 percent of the damage?    


 


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Lol the top player on the losing team are usually the spawn camper at the back who watched their team die before they do anything. Kill a couple of half dead tanks before the G R happens

I think there certainly could be inprovements to the xp calculations but it works ok enough
 
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View Postkiller etzi0, on 06 December 2018 - 05:09 AM, said:

There is already a system in place to award players on the losing team the same xp as if they won if they earn a epic/hero medal.

 

Yes this is a team game and, unfortunately, your going to be on the team that loses regardless of how well you play.

 

^ this. WG were nice enough to make it so that you still get decent xp if you do well. 

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View PostiDriveAStang, on 06 December 2018 - 04:58 AM, said:

Countless games my friends and I are always in the Top 5 on LOSING teams. How can it be fair that you or your platoon gets punished for the poor performance of other players? Me and some friends were discussing that the Top 5 on the losing team should receive a small percentage boost to XP and silver if more than 50% of the team didn't contribute in any way. Thoughts?

 

I play solo and sometimes when I end up matches that has platoon. What I have observed is that platoon teends to play their own game and forget the rest of the team. How about if you and your friends change your play style and play the game like platoon would be part of the team.


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View Postkiller etzi0, on 06 December 2018 - 06:09 AM, said:

There is already a system in place to award players on the losing team the same xp as if they won if they earn a epic/hero medal.

 

Yes this is a team game and, unfortunately, your going to be on the team that loses regardless of how well you play.

 

As a concept, this is correct, but if we're being honest, how "well" did a player that gets the sniper, steel wall or scout really do?

And if we're looking at the players that actually did well,  what do they have in store for the epic medals?

Well, there's the Top gun and the High caliber of course,  but the  latter requires not only that you don't accidentally hurt a team mate in  any way, but there's also the 1000 dmg requirement on top of the 20% of the enemy hp requirement. Depending  on tier that could  be tricky in a bad team, even if you're easily the top scorer.
And then  there's confederate of course,  but only really requires 6 shots to achieve at the same time as it is highly situational  Not at all a necessarily good performance.

The defender is also  highly situational. In a bad team you usually lose on destruction and not on the cap.

Invader is automatically out of the question, and don't get me started on the Scout medal.... lol

Patrol duty is also highly dependent on the team.

 

I agree that the concept is already there, but imo it needs re-work to more relevant rewards.

 



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View PostRubbelito, on 06 December 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

 

As a concept, this is correct, but if we're being honest, how "well" did a player that gets the sniper, steel wall or scout really do?

And if we're looking at the players that actually did well,  what do they have in store for the epic medals?

Well, there's the Top gun and the High caliber of course,  but the  latter requires not only that you don't accidentally hurt a team mate in  any way, but there's also the 1000 dmg requirement on top of the 20% of the enemy hp requirement. Depending  on tier that could  be tricky in a bad team, even if you're easily the top scorer.
And then  there's confederate of course,  but only really requires 6 shots to achieve at the same time as it is highly situational  Not at all a necessarily good performance.

The defender is also  highly situational. In a bad team you usually lose on destruction and not on the cap.

Invader is automatically out of the question, and don't get me started on the Scout medal.... lol

Patrol duty is also highly dependent on the team.

 

I agree that the concept is already there, but imo it needs re-work to more relevant rewards.

 

 

Although I do agree, it's hard to think of a better way to do it. There are at least no easy ways to ensure you always get it and although I am sometimes disappointed because I know I played well enough to deserve the extra XP on a loss I sometimes get it when I've done very little, especially in super heavies.

steelheadclan #9 Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:30 PM

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I usually do pretty well in the XP department on a loss. 

 

Don’t see what the big deal is. 


 


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I think most was already mentioned but just to add, there is no punishment for being on the Losing Team. The Losing Team earns 100% of the XP and SIlver based on what they do. The winning team gets a BONUS of 50%. 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 06 December 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

I think most was already mentioned but just to add, there is no punishment for being on the Losing Team. The Losing Team earns 100% of the XP and SIlver based on what they do. The winning team gets a BONUS of 50%. 

 

^^ good point, lets see if it sinks in.....

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steelheadclan #12 Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:57 PM

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View Postkiller etzi0, on 06 December 2018 - 06:54 AM, said:

 

^^ good point, lets see if it sinks in.....

 

probably not. 

 


 


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View Poststeelheadclan, on 06 December 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

 

probably not. 

 

 

So if I got it right,  winning team gets 100% what they deserve and losers get 33% less as a punishment.  :unsure:
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View PostMaxChaos24, on 06 December 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

I think most was already mentioned but just to add, there is no punishment for being on the Losing Team. The Losing Team earns 100% of the XP and SIlver based on what they do. The winning team gets a BONUS of 50%. 

 

You know max, I think that this should be on the info screen when loading up a match. I never knew about this until today. 

Edited by XT356, 06 December 2018 - 03:31 PM.

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steelheadclan #15 Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:13 PM

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View PostSPUK4U, on 06 December 2018 - 07:04 AM, said:

 

So if I got it right,  winning team gets 100% what they deserve and losers get 33% less as a punishment.  :unsure:

 

Or loosing team gets the xp and silver they earned and winning team gets the same and a little extra because they’re winners. 

Lesson to be learned here?

Win more. 

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View Poststeelheadclan, on 06 December 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

Or loosing team gets the xp and silver they earned and winning team gets the same and a little extra because they’re winners. 

Lesson to be learned here?

Win more. 

:)

 

^^this^^

View PostSPUK4U, on 06 December 2018 - 09:04 AM, said:

 

So if I got it right,  winning team gets 100% what they deserve and losers get 33% less as a punishment.  :unsure:

 

^^not this^^

 

Winning team gets what they earned plus 50% bonus, loosing team gets what they earned....

 

Didn't Max explain it clear enough the 1st time? 


Edited by killer etzi0, 06 December 2018 - 03:15 PM.

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View Postkiller etzi0, on 06 December 2018 - 05:09 AM, said:

There is already a system in place to award players on the losing team the same xp as if they won if they earn a epic/hero medal.

 

Yes this is a team game and, unfortunately, your going to be on the team that loses regardless of how well you play.

Ironically I made a VERY similar comment in response to someone complaining about the same thing on social media. Its like my entire generation forgot what competition means!


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View Postkiller etzi0, on 06 December 2018 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

^^ good point, lets see if it sinks in.....

 

What is it that's supposed to sink in?
All that is asked for is that the system already in place, rewarding the "good losers", is made more relevant and consistent.

 

Sniper medal... meh!  :teethhappy:
 



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View PostRubbelito, on 06 December 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

 

What is it that's supposed to sink in?
All that is asked for is that the system already in place, rewarding the "good losers", is made more relevant and consistent.

 

Sniper medal... meh!  :teethhappy:
 

 

I have no idea what point your making. 

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View Postkiller etzi0, on 06 December 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

 

I have no idea what point your making. 

 

I'm sorry. It was pretty straight forward. Don't know how I can put it any clearer.




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