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Is The Pz. IV/V Suffocating Mid and Low Tiers?

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Poll: Is the Pz. V/IV Balanced? (37 members have cast votes)

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Is the V/IV currently in an over-buffed state?

  1. Yes, it has too much DPM, Health, gun depression, armor, speed, and accuracy dispersion. (27 votes [72.97%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 72.97%

  2. No, It has a similar win ratio to other tanks in the game. The high hit ratio, KD, spotting per game, and average damage are due to the tanks playstyle. (4 votes [10.81%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

  3. Unsure (1 vote [2.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

  4. Doesn't matter, premium tanks should never be nerfed regardless if they're balanced (5 votes [13.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.51%

If so, how would you balance it?

  1. Change the tank to a tier VI (24 votes [57.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. Nerf the stats like: gun handling, health, armor, etc (6 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  3. Remove it from the game (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Remove it from sale permanently (WG has gone back on that promise many times before) (12 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

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YankeeCherokee #1 Posted 13 December 2018 - 03:57 AM

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The Pz. V/IV has been in the game for a while after its dramatic changes and buffs from a tier 6 tank. 

 

I wanted to take a poll from this forum, hopefully from those who frequently play tier III-VI and meet this tank often. Both when it is top tier, and bottom tier to get the best impression of its performance.

 

http://wotinfo.net/en/nerf-barometer?recent=true&_recent=on&_premium=on&country=all&vehicletype=mediumTank&tier=5&server=xbox



Silent Guns18 #2 Posted 13 December 2018 - 04:17 AM

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The tank is fine

steelheadclan #3 Posted 13 December 2018 - 04:30 AM

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Meh. 

They can be dealt with. 

 

 


 


SGT Rock 1963 #4 Posted 13 December 2018 - 05:14 AM

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Quit seal-clubbing, You wont get clubbed. Poll is also biased, To the result you want. I have no problem with it, Being a tier 6. Its been nerfed before, Just needs bumped to 6.

 



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Imagine you're just starting out with the game and you finally work your way up to tier 5 only to come across platoons of V/IV's or captured KV1's. How long before you say forget it and uninstall the game. Those two tanks have broken low tier matches WG and you should do something about it or you will continue to lose new players. Btw I own the V/IV, got it way back on the 360 beta in a Founders pack but I don't drive it anymore for the above reasons.

FRlGHTKNIGHT #6 Posted 13 December 2018 - 09:12 AM

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The tank is fine. None of the option in your survey are ones i would opt for. Churchil 3s eat panzers and they have PMM. Man up homey.

Edited by FRlGHTKNIGHT, 13 December 2018 - 09:13 AM.


Jodmeister #7 Posted 13 December 2018 - 09:23 AM

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Its hit points need to be reduced closer to the median of other tier V mediums; that is all. 

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Funktastic Ed #8 Posted 13 December 2018 - 09:40 AM

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It has too much structure points for tier V, this encourage health-trade behavior, breaking any defensive tactic specially at same tier or lower.

Clearly unfair.

Bring it up a tier, or reduce its health


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MASHMAN 90 #9 Posted 13 December 2018 - 09:59 AM

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View PostSGT Rock 1963, on 13 December 2018 - 05:14 AM, said:

Quit seal-clubbing, You wont get clubbed. Poll is also biased, To the result you want. See no problem with it, Being a tier 6. Its been before, Just needs bumped to 6.

 

 

Yeah, Tier 6 or a Health Nerf. To be honest i really suck in this tank, 20 Battles, 5 Survives, 45% Wins, just can't do great at all (Had one first class yesterday). I prefer the 57 mm on Captured KV-1 (Used for HC for Centrifuge V) and Churchill 3 (I use for point earn ops). Sometimes i feel having too much health has done me more harm than good. I'll admit i felt invincible when i first tried it, i just yoloed expecting to win but i learned it's an OI effectively, only good armour is at the front and if you get crossfired then the game can end quickly.

 

My Stats

Over: 30863, 9450, 52% (31% Survive)

V/IV: 20, 5, 45% (25% Survive)

CKV1: 41, 13, 56% (32% Survive)

C3: 1534, 552, 60% (36% Survive)


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Haukkis #10 Posted 13 December 2018 - 10:01 AM

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I would put it in tier 6 and give it PMM.

Haukkis #11 Posted 13 December 2018 - 10:04 AM

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View PostMaxAmmo10562, on 13 December 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

Imagine you're just starting out with the game and you finally work your way up to tier 5 only to come across platoons of V/IV's or captured KV1's. How long before you say forget it and uninstall the game. Those two tanks have broken low tier matches WG and you should do something about it or you will continue to lose new players. Btw I own the V/IV, got it way back on the 360 beta in a Founders pack but I don't drive it anymore for the above reasons.

 

Do you play American Sexton 1 instead? :D

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View PostMaxAmmo10562, on 13 December 2018 - 07:06 AM, said:

Imagine you're just starting out with the game and you finally work your way up to tier 5 only to come across platoons of V/IV's or captured KV1's. How long before you say forget it and uninstall the game. Those two tanks have broken low tier matches WG and you should do something about it or you will continue to lose new players. Btw I own the V/IV, got it way back on the 360 beta in a Founders pack but I don't drive it anymore for the above reasons.

 

I don't mind driving the Captured KV-1 as anyone can have a Captured KV-1, Just buy the KV-1 and use the 57 mm package and you can have the same effectiveness but you do earn less XP, Silver and less camo in the KV-1 but most of those are cosmetic changes. Panzer V/IV, normally i would mind very much but just proven i suck in this tank so no real problems there for my playstyle at least (but the tank is broken). I also suck in the Lefur Artillery but i do like the Sexton, Pz B2, Valentine II and the Churchill III but i rarely play them now. I used Churchill III all the time for point ops, One of the Dream Ops i played the Churchill III at least 300 times. Panzer B2 as a 2nd points earner Op.

 

My Stats

Over: 30863, 9450, 52% (31% Survive)

V/IV: 20, 5, 45% (25% Survive)

CKV1: 41, 13, 56% (32% Survive)

Church 3: 1534, 552, 60% (36% Survive)

Sexton: 50, 25, 68% (50% Survive)

Valen2: 19, 6, 63% (32% Survive)

PzB2: 105, 43, 57% (41% Survive)

 

Non Sealclubber

Hammer: 1208, 436, 61% (36% Survive)

Sharpshooter: 76, 24, 57% (32% Survive)

Needle: 30, 15, 67% (50% Survive)


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MASHMAN 90 #13 Posted 13 December 2018 - 10:46 AM

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Captured KV-1 doesn't need a nerf at all as several tanks use the same gun, KV-1, T-28, T-34 and more.

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Haukkis #14 Posted 13 December 2018 - 10:49 AM

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 13 December 2018 - 11:44 AM, said:

 

I don't mind driving the Captured KV-1 as anyone can have a Captured KV-1, Just buy the KV-1 and use the 57 mm package and you can have the same effectiveness but you do earn less XP, Silver and less camo in the KV-1 but most of those are cosmetic changes. Panzer V/IV, normally i would mind very much but just proven i suck in this tank so no real problems there for my playstyle at least (but the tank is broken). I also suck in the Lefur Artillery but i do like the Sexton, Pz B2, Valentine II and the Churchill III but i rarely play them now. I used Churchill III all the time for point ops, One of the Dream Ops i played the Churchill III at least 300 times. Panzer B2 as a 2nd points earner Op.

 

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Over: 30863, 9450, 52% (31% Survive)

V/IV: 20, 5, 45% (25% Survive)

CKV1: 41, 13, 56% (32% Survive)

Church 3: 1534, 552, 60% (36% Survive)

Sexton: 50, 25, 68% (50% Survive)

Valen2: 19, 6, 63% (32% Survive)

PzB2: 105, 43, 57% (41% Survive)

 

Non Sealclubber

Hammer: 1208, 436, 61% (36% Survive)

Sharpshooter: 76, 24, 57% (32% Survive)

Needle: 30, 15, 67% (50% Survive)

 

Had to point it out that Captured KV-1 is faster than regular KV-1, it has better power to weight ratio and marginally better ground resistance values. So it's overall better than regular KV-1 :)

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View PostHaukkis, on 13 December 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

 

Had to point it out that Captured KV-1 is faster than regular KV-1, it has better power to weight ratio and marginally better ground resistance values. So it's overall better than regular KV-1 :)

 

Ah never knew that but i believe it's because of the gun that people believe that it was OP (but could be wrong), they should give the Regular KV-1 the same treatment then :)

 

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278, 87, 51% (31% Survive), just noticed i'm on 82.66% Damage Standing but likely go down if i play it again :)


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RAD FROOD 25 #16 Posted 13 December 2018 - 11:05 AM

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In a word; yes but it sells really well which is the one and only reason that it will NEVER be nerfed 

Haukkis #17 Posted 13 December 2018 - 11:22 AM

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 13 December 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

Ah never knew that but i believe it's because of the gun that people believe that it was OP (but could be wrong), they should give the Regular KV-1 the same treatment then :)

 

My KV-1 Stats

278, 87, 51% (31% Survive), just noticed i'm on 82.66% Damage Standing but likely go down if i play it again :)

 

I think it has better mobility because Germans improved/changed it's engine into more powerful one...?

YankeeCherokee #18 Posted 14 December 2018 - 06:13 AM

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Really glad to see constructive thoughts on this poll. I agree that I believe it pushes away new players, and worry that because the tank sells so well it wont be changed. If you would all be willing, I can make a petition to address towards WG on this issue.

ThermalStone #19 Posted 14 December 2018 - 06:26 AM

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It's overpowered mostly because it has so much health, but it's not game breaking.  I have no trouble killing them with other good tier 5 tanks like the T-34.  Truly game breaking tanks are tne T1E6 and the US Sexy.

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There are no such things as OP tanks only OP drivers, but seriously the 5/4 is not OP at all and can be handled quite easily in a tier 5 match.  I see there is still Op nerf posts going on after this tanks been in the game for 4 years now.  





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