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Vampire_Izumi #1 Posted 03 January 2019 - 02:52 PM

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i was thinking how the type 5 heavy tank is one of the easiest to pen if you have high pen guns or premium, due to it having completely flat frontal armor and it can not even angle due to it's very flat cheeks that  also hide the ammorack.

 

so i thought of a way they could balance the type 5 heavy.

Armor:

-lower its frontal hull armor to 240-250mms and the turret to 260mms

-increase cheek thickness to 300mms

Gun:

14cm::

-increase premium pen to 300 (from 282)

increase rate of fire from 3.39 to 3.69 to make the gun feel like a viable option over the 15cm.

15cm:

Add AP Shell: 235mms pen, damage 850 (Accuracy is 0.50 and has 2.90 aim time, reload is 20s.)

Raise Heat pen from 260mm to 270mm of pen.

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Type 5 Heavy's Current Stats: (on paper)(Base)

Guns: 14cm or 15cm.

14cm:

Rate of Fire: 3.39

Penetration: 249/282/70

Damage:600/600/770

Aim Time: 2.50

Accuracy: 0.40

Reload Time: 17.70s

Accuracy on moving tank: 2.40m

Accuracy on rotating Turret: 1.01m

Max Range: 720

Max Elevation: 20deg

Max Depression: 10deg

Shell Cost: 1,195/4,800/905

Shell Velocity: 850/850/850 m/s

HE EXP.Radius: 3.17m

15cm:

Rate of Fire: 3

Penetration: 85/264

Damage: 1,100/750

Aim Time: 2.90

Accuracy: 0.50

Reload Time: 20s

Accuracy on moving tank: 3m

Accuracy on rotating Turret: 1.98m

Max Range: 720

Max Elevation: 20deg

Max Depression: 10deg

Shell Cost: 1,320/6,000

Shell Velocity: 850/750 m/s

HE EXP.Radius: 3.66m

Survivability:

HP: 2,800

Hull Armor:  270/160/150 MM

Turret Armor: 280/210/200 MM

Cupola:210/210/210 MM

Hull/Turret Roof Armor: 75 MM

Cheek Armor: 270 MM

Mobility:

Horse Power: 1200

Power Ratio: 7.94hpt

Top Forward Speed: 25kph

Top Reverse Speed: 11kph

Tank  Rotation Speed: 20deg/s

Turret Rotation Speed: 18deg/s

Terrain Resistance: 1.1 / 1.2 / 2

Concealment:

Stationary: 0

Moving: 0

Misc:

View Range: 400m

Signal Range: 750m

Fire Chance: 20%

Crew Size: 6

Tank Weight: 150,000KG

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That is my thoughts on how to balance the Type 5 Heavy.

thank you for reading and tell me your thoughts down Below!


Edited by greenteam117, 03 January 2019 - 03:57 PM.

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Haukkis #2 Posted 03 January 2019 - 03:36 PM

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Great suggestions, I like them. I would also improve 140mm gun's rate of fire little bit, like on PC (I think it fires 3.69 rounds per minute on PC).

Vampire_Izumi #3 Posted 03 January 2019 - 03:41 PM

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View PostHaukkis, on 04 January 2019 - 12:36 AM, said:

Great suggestions, I like them. I would also improve 140mm gun's rate of fire little bit, like on PC (I think it fires 3.69 rounds per minute on PC).

 

that is a great idea! i will add it :D (since it will make the gun more unique and a viable option over the 15cm).

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Long as it doesn't have that P2W HE, i'm ok with it. But of course, i would still use it, given the option.

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 04 January 2019 - 12:49 AM, said:

Long as it doesn't have that P2W HE, i'm ok with it. But of course, i would still use it, given the option.

 

ya, i purposely left it out and instead decided a AP round that has poor pen for a tier 10 but great damage potential was a better and still very unique choice.

 

it also fits perfectly with the current premium round it has, but maybe raise the premium pen to 270. so it basically will be, gain 35 more pen, but lose 100 damage.


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To be honest, even now the 140mm is a better gun than the 150.  The gun is definitely the Achilles Heel of the tank.

I'm not sure why you want to nerf the hull armor though.  The armor is the only thing giving it half a chance.

 

IMO, shorten the reload on the 140.  Increase the pen on the 150 (both HE and HEAT rounds) and call it good.


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View PostPontiac Pat, on 04 January 2019 - 12:55 AM, said:

To be honest, even now the 140mm is a better gun than the 150.  The gun is definitely the Achilles Heel of the tank.

I'm not sure why you want to nerf the hull armor though.  The armor is the only thing giving it half a chance.

 

IMO, shorten the reload on the 140.  Increase the pen on the 150 (both HE and HEAT rounds) and call it good.

 

wanted to nerf the hull armor but increase cheek thickness so it can sidescrape.

basically take front armor and turn it into 30mms of more cheek armor 270->300mm


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View Postgreenteam117, on 03 January 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:

 

wanted to nerf the hull armor but increase cheek thickness so it can sidescrape.

basically take front armor and turn it into 30mms of more cheek armor 270->300mm

 

SOUNDS GOOD!

 

 

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Interesting thought, but that design will never be able to sidescrape thanks to the shoulders.  If you angle out that becomes the weak spot.

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