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GIXXERCON 13 #21 Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:40 PM

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 11 February 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Premium tanks can have 2 Xp Bonuses. One is a Base XP bonus, the other is a Premium Vehicle bonus. 

The Base XP portion is worked into your Base XP amount while the Premium Vehicle bonus is applied afterwards, which is seen on your PBRS under "Premium Vehicle Bonus" in the XP breakdown section.

 

The Tankopedia displays the Total XP bonus for the tank. 

Where do we find the info as to which receive how much?


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View PostGIXXERCON 13, on 11 February 2019 - 07:40 PM, said:

Where do we find the info as to which receive how much?

 

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View PostShockwave IIC, on 11 February 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

The "New" Tankopedia is much better than the old one (IMO) - It's all in there.

Nowhere in the tankopedia does it say anything remotely close.

tankopedia states 75% xp bonus for all black tanks.

Please point out the section where it lists the hidden breakdown of the 75% to be 5% base xp bonus and a 70% tank xp bonus.


Std. Tanks- Hellcat, T29, GwPanther, T-54 Ltwt, Pershing, AMX 50 100, IS-3, T49, Ru251, AMX13 90, M46 Patton, T-54, Obj. 430 II, E-75, M53/55, T-100 LT, M48 Patton, Cent. AX, E-50M, Leo 1, T-62a, Obj. 140, Obj. 430, Obj. 430U, T57 Heavy, T110E5, FV215b, Chieftain, S.Conq, E-100, AMX 50B, IS-7, IS-4, T110E4, T110E3, JPE-100, T92, GwE-100, B-C 155 58, Obj 261

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View PostGIXXERCON 13, on 11 February 2019 - 08:10 PM, said:

Nowhere in the tankopedia does it say anything remotely close.

tankopedia states 75% xp bonus for all black tanks.

Please point out the section where it lists the hidden breakdown of the 75% to be 5% base xp bonus and a 70% tank xp bonus.

 

Apologies, I missed where in the statement below you was specifically asking for the hidden elements

 

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+BASE XP =+crew XP  the +75% is not to base xp

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Dispite what is said here BASE XP determines free XP and crew XP earnings thus a black tank will generate no more crew or free XP and there standard counterparts.. you just get more tank XP you can later convert with gold.

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View PostF4ST-D3V1LS, on 11 February 2019 - 07:23 AM, said:

In the Netherlands we have a saying that goes "vragen naar de bekende weg" which roughly translates to: "asking for directions to destinations allready visited" (or something, you probably get it) but this is not fact, just suspicion... i mean it's not like this subject has been post/spoken about for like 500+ times allready on these forums, so...

 

 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 11 February 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

Premium tanks can have 2 Xp Bonuses. One is a Base XP bonus, the other is a Premium Vehicle bonus. 

The Base XP portion is worked into your Base XP amount while the Premium Vehicle bonus is applied afterwards, which is seen on your PBRS under "Premium Vehicle Bonus" in the XP breakdown section.

 

The Tankopedia displays the Total XP bonus for the tank. 

I have an issue with this as the math doesn’t make 70 or 75% difference.

1,251 base is showing a Premium Vehicle Bonus of 1,314

Which is 105% bonus, not a 5%

 

The only other way to get that result would be to say that the base 1,251 xp already reflects the hidden 5% xp boost.

then Premium time 1.5x (1876.5)

finally take the 70% xp bonus into play (1313.55) which then rounds up to my result

If this is how the math breaks down, then an individual without premium time would effectively get

1000 base, 1400 pvb

 

Same black tank goes into War Stories

225 base with a PVBonus of 26 (10.XX%?)

This is not a 70% bonus.

 

The post action results are not either factored or displayed the same between WS and Multiplayer battles.


Std. Tanks- Hellcat, T29, GwPanther, T-54 Ltwt, Pershing, AMX 50 100, IS-3, T49, Ru251, AMX13 90, M46 Patton, T-54, Obj. 430 II, E-75, M53/55, T-100 LT, M48 Patton, Cent. AX, E-50M, Leo 1, T-62a, Obj. 140, Obj. 430, Obj. 430U, T57 Heavy, T110E5, FV215b, Chieftain, S.Conq, E-100, AMX 50B, IS-7, IS-4, T110E4, T110E3, JPE-100, T92, GwE-100, B-C 155 58, Obj 261

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.I did the math, I was stolen, do not enter the 5% in total xp, only 5% in xp base, ie black tank is no good.

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I understand absolutely nothing of what is being discussed here!

 

It goes right above my head.

 

The only difference between a black edition tank and a premium tank is the color. Like this, I can get it. As for percent XP, Crew XP, bonus, it is way too complicated to me.


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I think it's the terminology used that causes the misunderstanding. Max mentions Base XP twice in different manners http://forum-console...17#entry4701017

If I understand it correctly a Base XP of 1000 listed in the match results means XP earned in match was (1000/1,05) = 952,38XP

So, the player's "earned XP" was 952,38 XP. Which was boosted up to 1000XP to represent the Base XP for all further calculations.


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All that matters is this.. BASE XP is only boosted by the standard 5% of all premium tanks.. All crew XP and free XP are calculated off of that BASE number the remaining 70% (for a total of 75%) goes to the TANKs XP .. And is worthless unless you pay gold to convert it.

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View PostGIXXERCON 13, on 11 February 2019 - 04:36 PM, said:

I have an issue with this as the math doesn’t make 70 or 75% difference.

1,251 base is showing a Premium Vehicle Bonus of 1,314

Which is 105% bonus, not a 5%

 

The only other way to get that result would be to say that the base 1,251 xp already reflects the hidden 5% xp boost.

then Premium time 1.5x (1876.5)

finally take the 70% xp bonus into play (1313.55) which then rounds up to my result

 

If this is how the math breaks down, then an individual without premium time would effectively get

1000 base, 1400 pvb

 

Same black tank goes into War Stories

225 base with a PVBonus of 26 (10.XX%?)

This is not a 70% bonus.

 

The post action results are not either factored or displayed the same between WS and Multiplayer battles.

Hello, you didnt do the math right as you forgot to include the XP earn as a Premium account holder 

 

1251*1.5*0.7= 1314 XP which matches what you received.



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 11 February 2019 - 07:15 PM, said:

Hello, you didnt do the math right as you forgot to include the XP earn as a Premium account holder 

 

1251*1.5*0.7= 1314 XP which matches what you received.

Sure it is... I’ll underline it


Std. Tanks- Hellcat, T29, GwPanther, T-54 Ltwt, Pershing, AMX 50 100, IS-3, T49, Ru251, AMX13 90, M46 Patton, T-54, Obj. 430 II, E-75, M53/55, T-100 LT, M48 Patton, Cent. AX, E-50M, Leo 1, T-62a, Obj. 140, Obj. 430, Obj. 430U, T57 Heavy, T110E5, FV215b, Chieftain, S.Conq, E-100, AMX 50B, IS-7, IS-4, T110E4, T110E3, JPE-100, T92, GwE-100, B-C 155 58, Obj 261

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Notice max never corrects my posts...

Black tanks are a gimmick.. No better then the standard versions for free or crew XP

 

 

How misleading can wg get..??



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View PostDiabolicGambit, on 11 February 2019 - 10:33 PM, said:

Notice max never corrects my posts...

Black tanks are a gimmick.. No better then the standard versions for free or crew XP

 

 

How misleading can wg get..??

Your opinion. Though do you have facts that support it?

According to your opinion, all premium tanks must be a gimmick. As the Black tanks only have an intensified gimmick over other premiums.


Std. Tanks- Hellcat, T29, GwPanther, T-54 Ltwt, Pershing, AMX 50 100, IS-3, T49, Ru251, AMX13 90, M46 Patton, T-54, Obj. 430 II, E-75, M53/55, T-100 LT, M48 Patton, Cent. AX, E-50M, Leo 1, T-62a, Obj. 140, Obj. 430, Obj. 430U, T57 Heavy, T110E5, FV215b, Chieftain, S.Conq, E-100, AMX 50B, IS-7, IS-4, T110E4, T110E3, JPE-100, T92, GwE-100, B-C 155 58, Obj 261

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View PostDiabolicGambit, on 12 February 2019 - 01:09 AM, said:

All that matters is this.. BASE XP is only boosted by the standard 5% of all premium tanks.. All crew XP and free XP are calculated off of that BASE number the remaining 70% (for a total of 75%) goes to the TANKs XP .. And is worthless unless you pay gold to convert it.

 

View PostDiabolicGambit, on 12 February 2019 - 04:33 AM, said:

Notice max never corrects my posts...

Black tanks are a gimmick.. No better then the standard versions for free or crew XP

 

 

How misleading can wg get..??

 

Why should Max waste his time with you if your opinion is already set in stone? He surely has better things to do.

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a question max :

 

the order of the bonuses as they stack - is the following correct ? :

 

base

premium time (x 1.5)

tank xp bonus (if premium tank has it)

tank crew xp bonus (if premium tank has it)

 

& only then the ACT (x 1.25%)

 

& finally mentor (x 1.1)

 

^ is that order correct ?  . . . . . . .  or does the ACT get added before premium tank bonuses ?

 

and does a premium tanks crew bonus get added after the premium tank xp bonus ?

 

 


Edited by Wroclaw, 12 February 2019 - 05:16 AM.


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View PostWroclaw, on 11 February 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

a question max :

 

the order of the bonuses as they stack - is the following correct ? :

 

base

premium time (x 1.5)

tank xp bonus (if premium tank has it)

crew xp bonus (if premium tank has it)

 

& only then the ACT (x 1.25%)

 

& finally mentor (x 1.1)

 

^ is that order correct ?  . . . . . . .  or does the ACT get added before premium tank bonuses ?

 

and does a premium tanks crew bonus get added after the premium tank xp bonus ?

I’d even add to this to question how all factors come into play

-boost ops

-x2 every battle (post Alpha and Bravo completion)

-crew xp bonus (on tanks that have it)

 


Std. Tanks- Hellcat, T29, GwPanther, T-54 Ltwt, Pershing, AMX 50 100, IS-3, T49, Ru251, AMX13 90, M46 Patton, T-54, Obj. 430 II, E-75, M53/55, T-100 LT, M48 Patton, Cent. AX, E-50M, Leo 1, T-62a, Obj. 140, Obj. 430, Obj. 430U, T57 Heavy, T110E5, FV215b, Chieftain, S.Conq, E-100, AMX 50B, IS-7, IS-4, T110E4, T110E3, JPE-100, T92, GwE-100, B-C 155 58, Obj 261

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View PostGIXXERCON 13, on 12 February 2019 - 05:00 AM, said:

I’d even add to this to question how all factors come into play

-boost ops

-x2 every battle (post Alpha and Bravo completion)

-crew xp bonus (on tanks that have it)

 

 

oh heck yeah, the op tab boosts, their stack order is another thing that ive never seen definitively stated here.

 

& that current earn tank games x2 bonus. that has a place also. knowing the full order would be super helpfull max.






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