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scwirpeo #1 Posted 23 February 2019 - 06:24 AM

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Is this your idea of fun WG because its not mine. 5 years and the MM can only make that game with over 7k people on?

I haven't played in a week and you immediately subject me to this trash.

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When is this going to be a problem you guys decide is worth fixing? Just because your MM found two platoons shouldn't mean this needs to be where you place them.


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I mean, the game is pretty well balanced and the map is pretty decent for your platoon. Provided your team doesn't get crushed that could easily be a fun game.

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View PostFusionStar287, on 23 February 2019 - 12:01 AM, said:

I mean, the game is pretty well balanced and the map is pretty decent for your platoon. Provided your team doesn't get crushed that could easily be a fun game.

 

Our platoons light lost his tracks and engine in one shot. He died first. I lost 993 HP from an Arty splash shortly after. The IS-7 on my team was oneshot after his second shot by a 705A ammo racking him. The 183 on my team was oneshot by the red t92. 

 

The other tier 8 (hwk) had to drive around the map twice in distance to net 800 damage and zero assist despite being front line the entire game. 

 

Destroyer is the only one out of our platoon who did any damage and he had a meager 1.4k with over 20 shots fired. He bounced an apcr prem off a WT-100s gun because why not.

 

If the red team hadn't been so incredibly idiotic we would have lost. In no way was that battle fun nor would it ever have been.


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View PostFusionStar287, on 22 February 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

I mean, the game is pretty well balanced and the map is pretty decent for your platoon. Provided your team doesn't get crushed that could easily be a fun game.

 

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View Postscwirpeo, on 23 February 2019 - 06:24 AM, said:

Is this your idea of fun WG because its not mine. 5 years and the MM can only make that game with over 7k people on?

I haven't played in a week and you immediately subject me to this trash.

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When is this going to be a problem you guys decide is worth fixing? Just because your MM found two platoons shouldn't mean this needs to be where you place them.

 

What am I missing here? Looks pretty even to me, you have one more VIII than they do, You have More Top Tier Heavies and the TD make up is pretty even. Again what Am I missing? I do agree though that Match Making has been terrible this evening.

 

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I don't see any issues in this, platoons are bottom tier and balanced that's just perfect for both teams. I have been told many times that being a bottom tier is not a bad thing, you can still do something in there. 


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Perhaps more people should be playing tier 9s That would have helped some

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View PostAlbapfalzd3, on 23 February 2019 - 12:31 AM, said:

 

What am I missing here? Looks pretty even to me, you have one more VIII than they do, You have More Top Tier Heavies and the TD make up is pretty even. Again what Am I missing? I do agree though that Match Making has been terrible this evening.

 

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View PostSPUK4U, on 23 February 2019 - 12:52 AM, said:

I don't see any issues in this, platoons are bottom tier and balanced that's just perfect for both teams. I have been told many times that being a bottom tier is not a bad thing, you can still do something in there. 

 

The point is even 3/5/7 is more balanced than this and 3/5/7 is total garbage.

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View PostGuyabsher, on 23 February 2019 - 02:25 AM, said:

 

Fan Boy..Nothing to see here,move along.

Yep, I like the game and feel like that match would have potential to be a fun one, at least from seeing the initial team lists and such. 

 

Oh, and aren't you the guy who tried to call me out for having a 43.8% W/R, despite that stat being flat out wrong?


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I had a few weird match up's last night too, such as, tier 8/9 battles, with reds having 5 more nines etc.

 

It's a shame the MM couldn't be more consistent. Most of the time it is fine for me, but then you have the weird brain fart moments. 

 

And, of course, platoon MM. Yeah, that just doesn't work most of the time. Platoons over 2 people should have to wait for an equal tier platoon for at least 60 seconds. Failing that, just match against equal tiered, non-platooned tanks. Doesn't seem a hugely radical or difficult to implement solution to me....



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View PostAlbapfalzd3, on 23 February 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

 

What am I missing here? Looks pretty even to me, you have one more VIII than they do, You have More Top Tier Heavies and the TD make up is pretty even. Again what Am I missing? I do agree though that Match Making has been terrible this evening.

 

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View Postscwirpeo, on 23 February 2019 - 07:11 AM, said:

 

Our platoons light lost his tracks and engine in one shot. He died first. I lost 993 HP from an Arty splash shortly after. The IS-7 on my team was oneshot after his second shot by a 705A ammo racking him. The 183 on my team was oneshot by the red t92. 

 

The other tier 8 (hwk) had to drive around the map twice in distance to net 800 damage and zero assist despite being front line the entire game. 

 

Destroyer is the only one out of our platoon who did any damage and he had a meager 1.4k with over 20 shots fired. He bounced an apcr prem off a WT-100s gun because why not.

 

If the red team hadn't been so incredibly idiotic we would have lost. In no way was that battle fun nor would it ever have been.

 

So you had a bad game and it must be MMs fault because you don't have bad games unless they rig it against you. I've always said that MM isn't as bad as people make out (no it's not perfect) and threads like this just prove my point.

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Play in platoons and you're asking for trouble.

 

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View PostGuyabsher, on 23 February 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

 

Fan Boy..Nothing to see here,move along.

 

Why is it when someone disagrees, they're labelled as a Fan Boy? The Matchmaker in terms of balance seems good to me. Tier 8 Platoon vs Tier 8 Platoon, 11 Tier X's vs 10 Tier X's, Only unbalancing factor there is the HWK for that Tier X on the Enemy Team. I did below calculations in real time.

 

Their are instances where MM is broken, This isn't one of them. Does it need fixing? It sure does and PAINGOD addressed the delay on Battle Heroes.

 

Classes:

 

4 Heavies vs 4 Heavies

4 Mediums vs 4 Mediums

4 TD's vs 5 TD's

2 Lights vs 1 Light

1 Arty vs 1 Arty

 

Good Balance of Classes

 

Tanks:

 

Object 277 vs Object 705A

IS-7 vs T110E5

IS-4 vs Tiger II (Mismatch)

Nameless vs T34

 

M48 Patton vs M48 Patton

Object 140 vs Leopard 1

Object 430U vs Centurion AX

P Victoria vs E-50M (Mismatch)

 

T110E4 vs FV4005

Deathstar vs T110E3

Waffle vs Deathstar

Deathstar vs Waffle

* T110E4 remains

 

These can be rearranged, so E4 vs E4, FV4005 vs Deathstar, Waffle vs Waffle and Deathstar vs Deathstar (T110E3 left out)

 

M41 90 mm vs HWK 12

* HWK 12 remains


This can be rearranged to HWK 12 vs HWK 12 (M41 90 mm left out)

 

Object 261 vs T92


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View PostFishfood50, on 23 February 2019 - 02:21 AM, said:

 

So you had a bad game and it must be MMs fault because you don't have bad games unless they rig it against you. I've always said that MM isn't as bad as people make out (no it's not perfect) and threads like this just prove my point.

 

Wonder why this is the only one I complained about? That's not even close to the most damage an arty has done to me in one shot today.

Do you know how many games I got top tier in in the 3 hours I played today? One. Yet this is the one I'm bringing up. Maybe it's for a reason.

 

 

If you think my platoon had a bad time you should see what happened to the red teams tier 8s. Two of them were clipped by the same tank in around 10 seconds (bet you can't guess what tank did that). The last one hid in the middle of the map till late game and then got two shot.

 

They weren't even purple players like my platoon was. Between the 3 of them they did less damage than the IS-7 on my team who died after two pens.

 

Average pubs can't handle +0 let alone +2. MM like that doesn't help anyone. +/-2 needs to go.


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But to answer the question. Is this match bad for Tier VIII's? Yes by a stretch. Is the match bad as a whole? No seems balanced to me.

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View PostAlbapfalzd3, on 23 February 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

 

What am I missing here? Looks pretty even to me, you have one more VIII than they do, You have More Top Tier Heavies and the TD make up is pretty even. Again what Am I missing? I do agree though that Match Making has been terrible this evening.

 

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Agree, They have an extra Light and Enemy has an extra Tank Destroyer. Enemy has an Extra X, but as a whole it's not the Matchmakers fault, this time as it was balanced as a whole. It sucked for the Tier VIII's sure but sometimes you have these situations and you can't be top tier all the time.

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 23 February 2019 - 02:57 AM, said:

But to answer the question. Is this match bad for Tier VIII's? Yes by a stretch. Is the match bad as a whole? No seems balanced to me.

 

That kind of thinking is exactly why It took CB 5 years to even consider changing the MM.

 

Just because a game "looks" balanced doesn't mean it's fun to play. The game lasted almost 14 minutes all of those my green hwk was hauling around the map (7KM btw) trying to get any assistance damage at all while it was all getting fed to the heavys who had better raw view range. I posted in the back of the map and camped with my green 183. Even with all of that the only tier 8 who did enough to even be considered pub stats was destroyer. Who had to face down tanks that can oneshot him before he can even fully aim.

 

Ffs I bet the T-92 didn't even have fun because he failed to oneshot a tier 8.

 

It's not like our team saw our extra tier 8 and started jumping for joy either. It's not a good player experience in any tier especially tier ten.


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Would you have cared about the MM if you had been top tier and the two platoons were tier 6?

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View PostBigZoomBear, on 23 February 2019 - 03:11 AM, said:

Would you have cared about the MM if you had been top tier and the two platoons were tier 6?

 

To quote what we say in platoons when we see that. " Well those tier 6s got [edited]ed" usually followed by "bet they are going to have loads of fun". Then followed by "yea that's what fun means right".


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