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P6X330 #1 Posted 06 March 2019 - 01:47 AM

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Before posting a new topic, I went down memory lane until page 14 of the French Tanks section, and religiously read the 5 or 6 threads with AMX 50-120 as a subject matter.

 

There is a general consensus that while the 50-100 is fundamentaly ok, the 50-120 is a flop. Not a lot of love from anyone, and the same weaknesses pointed out.

 

I have just unlocked the second package, with the more powerful engine and traction system, there is a little gain in mobility, but not that much to make the tank easier to use.

 

I have attempted to play it like I did with the 50-100 or 65t, and it has been a great disappointment so far.

 

When facing Tier X and IX, it is almost impossible to pen, unless you wait to aim and assume the consequences of your temerity. If you hit, you barely pen anything with the standard ammunition. And the Alpha of the 100mm gun is underwhelming.

 

I am going to follow advice and play it as a medium, and check if I can improve anything.

 

But my point was to inquire about the 120mm gun. Is this the key to give a little bit of luster to that tank?

 

 


Edited by P6X330, 06 March 2019 - 01:48 AM.

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Very Classy #2 Posted 06 March 2019 - 02:03 AM

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Yeah, for sure. Until the 120mm, you're playing a bad AMX 50 100, in my opinion. 

 

Don't frontline, have a wingman or two, let them bait the shot, then punish. Don't try to dump the whole clip if the target is looking at you... they will probably be reloaded before the 4th shot.

 

Try to survive to late game. 1600 burst damage in the late game is like having Mariano Rivera. Close it out.



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View PostVery Classy, on 05 March 2019 - 08:03 PM, said:

Yeah, for sure. Until the 120mm, you're playing a bad AMX 50 100, in my opinion. 

 

Don't frontline, have a wingman or two, let them bait the shot, then punish. Don't try to dump the whole clip if the target is looking at you... they will probably be reloaded before the 4th shot.

 

Try to survive to late game. 1600 burst damage in the late game is like having Mariano Rivera. Close it out.

 

Thanks...

I need to remind myself that the 50-120 is not a heavy tank in terms of armor. And no matter how many times I tell myself "don't go there, don't go there", I still do, and pay the price.

 

See, when there are only a few heavies, you want to help, and the opposite happens, you make an early exit, because the enemy will concentrate fire on a tank that bounces nothing.

 

I am hopeful the 120mm gun will give me a bit more of an edge, and I am only doing that because of the AMX 50B, not for anything else.


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RAD FROOD 25 #4 Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:49 PM

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I had my first 10 kill game in the stock 50 120, it was erlenburg if memory serves me right but I really enjoyed the 120mm. 

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View PostRAD FROOD 25, on 06 March 2019 - 09:49 AM, said:

I had my first 10 kill game in the stock 50 120, it was erlenburg if memory serves me right but I really enjoyed the 120mm. 

 

You seem to refer to the past? have you played the tank recently?

I think there are a lot of better tanks at Tier IX and X now.

I still have a lot of grind to go to the AMX 50B, and I am definitively going to play further from the back now. I have learned my lesson the hard way.


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RAD FROOD 25 #6 Posted 07 March 2019 - 03:34 PM

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View PostP6X330, on 07 March 2019 - 01:46 PM, said:

 

You seem to refer to the past? have you played the tank recently?

I think there are a lot of better tanks at Tier IX and X now.

I still have a lot of grind to go to the AMX 50B, and I am definitively going to play further from the back now. I have learned my lesson the hard way.

 

yeah it was early last year. I haven't played it recently as I had to sell it to get the silver for the AMX 50B. 

 

I'd only buy it back if they introduced the 70T. I can only compare it to Soviet heavies and the conqueror, which doesn't really work



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View PostP6X330, on 07 March 2019 - 01:46 PM, said:

 

You seem to refer to the past? have you played the tank recently?

I think there are a lot of better tanks at Tier IX and X now.

I still have a lot of grind to go to the AMX 50B, and I am definitively going to play further from the back now. I have learned my lesson the hard way.

 

Also I always played quite aggressive in it, as long as I had a few teammates around 

P6X330 #8 Posted 07 March 2019 - 03:55 PM

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View PostRAD FROOD 25, on 07 March 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

Also I always played quite aggressive in it, as long as I had a few teammates around 

 

This was what I tried at first; unfortunately, it seems that enemies choose me as a priority target whenever I am in a pack. For cause, they can easily pen each non aimed shot, while with the other tanks, they had to stay exposed a little more.

 

I do so poorly that I am losing silver each battle, unless I only use standard ammo, which resolve in 16 hits and 3 pen...


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Latigo Morgan #9 Posted 08 March 2019 - 09:33 PM

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I failed my way through the 50-120 in time for the Tier X sale.

 

So far, the 50b seems just like the tank I left. Granted, I only have 2-3 games in it.


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View PostP6X330, on 07 March 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

 

You seem to refer to the past? have you played the tank recently?

I think there are a lot of better tanks at Tier IX and X now.

I still have a lot of grind to go to the AMX 50B, and I am definitively going to play further from the back now. I have learned my lesson the hard way.

 

Hmm... i fear that, if u can't get along with the latest package of the 50-120 well, there will be no need to unlock the 50 B. Its basically the same tank... a little more mobile, little faster reload, worse aiming-time... same gun, same armor... not really 6 Mio silver better than a 50-120.

As for the 50-120 itself, i really like it alot  though i prefer the Emil II in its last package.


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P6X330 #11 Posted 11 March 2019 - 01:11 AM

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View PostStahlbrezel, on 10 March 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

 

Hmm... i fear that, if u can't get along with the latest package of the 50-120 well, there will be no need to unlock the 50 B. Its basically the same tank... a little more mobile, little faster reload, worse aiming-time... same gun, same armor... not really 6 Mio silver better than a 50-120.

As for the 50-120 itself, i really like it alot  though i prefer the Emil II in its last package.

 

I have not yet got to taste the 120mm gun of the 50-120;

I am currently dealing with the 3 seconds aim time, which I have alleviated by using the gun laying drive instead of the ventilation.

Once I get to the 120mm I hope that the 2.7 seconds minus 10% so 2.43 will help me to hit my targets more often, because this is my biggest complaint about that tank. There is no point to shoot without a full aim. You are guaranteed to miss.

 

As far as I can tell, the 50B is a better tank tactically, but I don't have it, so I can only hypothesize.


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f1mitku #12 Posted 11 March 2019 - 11:47 AM

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With the 100mm gun 50-120 is actually just worse 50-100 - like it's almost the same but one tier higher.

The 120mm gun is definitely better and makes the tank bearable. Basically on the 120mm gun the standard ammo pen is almost the same as the premium ammo pen for the 100mm gun. That's a big difference, plus the better alpha... but only 4 shells in the clip. So lower theoretical DpM but it actually turns to be better in practice due to the better pen.


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it is really a good tank... but ´french autoloader heavymeds are a tank class of its own and not easy to handle. The 2.7 seconds AT helps a lot and is a huge advantage if u compare it to the 50B... here ur at an AT of 3 seconds again afaik. The swedisch pendant is much more forgivable due to its depression and strong turret.

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To tell you the truth, I am only doing it because of "The Machine".

 

I had not planned to go the heavy road, as I find playing heavy tanks boring. Very little room to change how you want to play them.

 

The 50-100, 50-120 and 50B may be more forgiving, because they are not really played like your typical heavy tanks.

 

I will be glad to go back to my medium tanks as soon as I can.


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Despite it having the 'worst tank in class' badge I didnt mind the 120 as long as you have the 120mm that is.

Its a bit sh*t but jumping out of cover and giving someone surprise b**ttsex is as funny as.


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View PostGeordie P, on 12 April 2019 - 06:16 AM, said:

Despite it having the 'worst tank in class' badge I didnt mind the 120 as long as you have the 120mm that is.

Its a bit sh*t but jumping out of cover and giving someone surprise b**ttsex is as funny as.

 

I found solace with the 120mm gun; the AMX 50-120 remains a very soft tank, and target of choice among other enemies, so you really need to remain out of sight, as much as possible, and support the attack from cover.

 

I often become the prey of light tanks operating in tandem if I become isolated. I continuously watch my surroundings to make sure I remain with the allies. With this tank, you cannot venture alone anywhere. As much as possible, I stay with other mediums, but I am often being ignored, and I cannot keep up with their speed.


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I seemed to do better in the 120 than I ever do in the 50B I think its because the 120 when top tier is up against T7's and very few of them can withstand 4 shots up the back end (or anywhere for that matter) from the 120mm.
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I would want from WG at least to change the symbol (and tank type) for all these French heaviums from heavy (diamond with 2 stripes) to medium (diamond with 1 stripe). Just to avoid hate messages from the potatoes who spam you that you have to be on the front line with that “heavy”. 
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View Postf1mitku, on 16 April 2019 - 12:52 AM, said:

I would want from WG at least to change the symbol (and tank type) for all these French heaviums from heavy (diamond with 2 stripes) to medium (diamond with 1 stripe). Just to avoid hate messages from the potatoes who spam you that you have to be on the front line with that “heavy”. 

 

I hear you... however, those who do that don't really know their subject matter.

As strange as it may be, I was once billowed upon by a heavy player, telling me to fall back as my tank was no front line material. I told him I was trying to help, as a good team mate; he said that he knew and appreciated, however your 50-120 can't stay ahead, and has to do it from the back line...

 


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Yeah I just bought this tank over the weekend to have another French tank to use in the "Machine" contract. Painful does a pretty good job at describing this tank. I need to work it and get it fully upgraded before getting into Stage IX (currently in Stage VII) so I have another Tier IX tank to work with. Currently as is I have 1 French tank (AMX 50 120), 3 Crewed Soviet Tanks (Obj. 257, ST-1 and Obj. 277), 4 British tanks (Cent. 7/1, Cent. AX, Conqueror, S. Conqueror) and 1 Czech tank (Skoda T50) that I can use for those final two stages. I also have the T-10 but no crew in it and the IS-7 unlocked but not purchased. I could get the Lorraine 40T unlocked as well. 

 

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