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What should be the gold shell for FV4202?

  1. HEAT (8 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  2. Prem HESH (52 votes [86.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 86.67%

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scoopers1913 #1 Posted 07 March 2019 - 11:27 AM

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Is there anyone who think that the Fv4202 should have heat for gold shells instead of premium hesh? I like the 4202 a lot but i often find myself in situations where i need to go head on with tier 10 heavies, and without the heat, i'm simply unable to pen them whatsoever. i think WG should change the gold shells to heat so that the 4202 can fit the meta nowadays better. don't forget the 4202 was balanced around the meta a few years ago where it's still possible to pen maus and type 5 without gold because they actually had weak point that were weak

FusionStar287 #2 Posted 07 March 2019 - 11:42 AM

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The FV4202 should keep its premium HESH rounds for multiple reasons.

Firstly, they make the tank very unique and offer a risk vs. reward style of ammo. Instead of just pressing a button for more pen you get an ammo type that can drastically increase your DPM when used well, and at the same time there are many cases in which its premium HESH is a worse option than its standard APCR since the HESH does have lower pen and can't pen through tracks/spaced armor. This adds extra tactics in every engagement the FV4202 is in and makes the tank feel much more rewarding to play.

Secondly, its standard APCR rounds are perfectly fine against the vast majority of tanks. Against most enemies having 268mm of pen is plenty to go through, and even many well armor tanks can be penned reliably though their weak points (which are also easily hit thanks to the FV4202's great gun handling). The only tanks that a FV4202 can't pen reliably in the open are the Maus and Type 5 Heavy, and both of those tanks are very easy to flank or retreat from when necessary (plus neither tank is very common to see in each match).

And lastly, the FV4202 is already an amazing tank as it is, so even if you view it getting a high pen HEAT round as a buff (which I'd argue isn't the case) you're arguing that one of the best, if not the best, tier X medium should be made even better. The FV4202 is in a great place where it is, as it's a great medium that really rewards high-skill play while requiring less experienced players to actually aim for weakpoints, flank, etc. instead of giving them the easy option of pressing the A button after they bounce a shot. The premium HESH adds to the character and the fun of the FV4202, as well as making it a devastating tank against enemies with mediocre armor, and to change that ammo to HEAT would be nothing but a bad change.

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Thrillhelm #3 Posted 07 March 2019 - 11:46 AM

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Removing HESH would make the FV4202 more a piece of junk than it is right now.


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View PostThrillhelm, on 07 March 2019 - 06:46 AM, said:

Removing HESH would make the FV4202 more a piece of junk than it is right now.

Sure, one of the most mobile tier X mediums that has very good frontal armor and a great gun is a piece of junk, let's go with that.


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I'm with Fusion here. The 4202 always had to pick and handle engagements carefully, it was part of the joy of playing the tank, because when you did it right and got that HESH going, it tore things up. Without the HESH, may as well just be the Patton. 

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Lol if you need to spam prem play a different tank. 

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suicidalblues #7 Posted 07 March 2019 - 12:48 PM

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In a span of less than 12 hours both the STA-2 and the 4202 have been called junk.

Just what exactly is going on here?

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Is it finally a balanced tank then? No HEAT to spam so it's bad (according to some cartoon characters hehe). :P

I can't wait to unlock it, guys. Looks like an awesome piece of equipment.

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View PostFusionStar287, on 07 March 2019 - 12:42 PM, said:

The FV4202 should keep its premium HESH rounds for multiple reasons.

Firstly, they make the tank very unique and offer a risk vs. reward style of ammo. Instead of just pressing a button for more pen you get an ammo type that can drastically increase your DPM when used well, and at the same time there are many cases in which its premium HESH is a worse option than its standard APCR since the HESH does have lower pen and can't pen through tracks/spaced armor. This adds extra tactics in every engagement the FV4202 is in and makes the tank feel much more rewarding to play.

Secondly, its standard APCR rounds are perfectly fine against the vast majority of tanks. Against most enemies having 268mm of pen is plenty to go though, and even many well armor tanks can be penned reliably though their weak points (which are also easily hit thanks to the FV4202's great gun handling). The only tanks that a FV4202 can't pen reliably in the open are the Maus and Type 5 Heavy, and both of those tanks are very easy to flank or retreat from when necessary (plus neither tank is very common to see in each match).

And lastly, the FV4202 is already an amazing tank as it is, so even if you view it getting a high pen HEAT round as a buff (which I'd agree isn't the case) you're arguing that one of the best, if not the best, tier X medium should be made even better. The FV4202 is in a great place where it is, as it's a great medium that really rewards high-skill play while requiring less experienced players to actually aim for weakpoints, flank, etc. instead of giving them the easy option of pressing the A button after they bounce a shot. The premium HESH adds to the character and the fun of the FV4202, as well as making it a devastating tank against enemies with mediocre armor, and to change that ammo to HEAT would be nothing but a bad change.

 

I fully agree, that premium HESH round is one of the points that makes this tank so special.
 



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View PostFusionStar287, on 07 March 2019 - 06:42 AM, said:

The FV4202 should keep its premium HESH rounds for multiple reasons.

Firstly, they make the tank very unique and offer a risk vs. reward style of ammo. Instead of just pressing a button for more pen you get an ammo type that can drastically increase your DPM when used well, and at the same time there are many cases in which its premium HESH is a worse option than its standard APCR since the HESH does have lower pen and can't pen through tracks/spaced armor. This adds extra tactics in every engagement the FV4202 is in and makes the tank feel much more rewarding to play.

Secondly, its standard APCR rounds are perfectly fine against the vast majority of tanks. Against most enemies having 268mm of pen is plenty to go though, and even many well armor tanks can be penned reliably though their weak points (which are also easily hit thanks to the FV4202's great gun handling). The only tanks that a FV4202 can't pen reliably in the open are the Maus and Type 5 Heavy, and both of those tanks are very easy to flank or retreat from when necessary (plus neither tank is very common to see in each match).

And lastly, the FV4202 is already an amazing tank as it is, so even if you view it getting a high pen HEAT round as a buff (which I'd agree isn't the case) you're arguing that one of the best, if not the best, tier X medium should be made even better. The FV4202 is in a great place where it is, as it's a great medium that really rewards high-skill play while requiring less experienced players to actually aim for weakpoints, flank, etc. instead of giving them the easy option of pressing the A button after they bounce a shot. The premium HESH adds to the character and the fun of the FV4202, as well as making it a devastating tank against enemies with mediocre armor, and to change that ammo to HEAT would be nothing but a bad change.

 

^^^This absolutely This. Great post and reply^^^

 


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Wait...so a premium round that trades pen for damage!?  Almost like it makes sense, vs pen gain for zero trade off.

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View PostM4ntiX, on 07 March 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

Is it finally a balanced tank then? No HEAT to spam so it's bad (according to some cartoon characters hehe). :P

I can't wait to unlock it, guys. Looks like an awesome piece of equipment.

 

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View PostFusionStar287, on 07 March 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

Sure, one of the most mobile tier X mediums that has very good frontal armor and a great gun is a piece of junk, let's go with that.

 

It's a redundant tank nonetheless, talk about frontal armor when comparing it to Obj. 140 and Obj. 430 U, and "a great gun" isn't something other Tier X mediums lack. But I guess fanboyism is a valid argument in this forum now.



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View PostThrillhelm, on 07 March 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

It's a redundant tank nonetheless, talk about frontal armor when comparing it to Obj. 140 and Obj. 430 U, and "a great gun" isn't something other Tier X mediums lack. But I guess fanboyism is a valid argument in this forum now.

What? Lol. Go check its effective armour. Facts..Try using them instead of nonsense. 140s frontal hull armour isn't anywhere close to the 4202s. Far from redundant. The only 105 armed tank that can compete is the M48. Which is a better tank than the Soviet meds itself. 

 

People are going to learn the hard way it seems. This 4202 is far better than the old version. I've seen tier X heavies bounce less enemy shots than this tank does. Underestimating it isn't wise. 



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There we are, FVanboys at work. Keep talking like its the hottest thing ever, its a redundant tank with HESH being its only redeeming quality. I wonder how long WG will last when they cater to clans who push their agendas.


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View PostThrillhelm, on 07 March 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

There we are, FVanboys at work. Keep talking like its the hottest thing ever, its a redundant tank with HESH being its only redeeming quality. I wonder how long WG will last when they cater to clans who push their agendas.

 


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Thrillhelm #17 Posted 07 March 2019 - 03:38 PM

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"Oh the FV4202 is the greatest WG gift to manking but I want it for free even though I got compensated with a much better tank and a premium tier 8 on top of that, and it's such a good tank in an environment where WG nerfed E50 M and STB-1, has still OP Soviet medium tanks and let's ignore for a moment that other mediums exist on tier X so I can dream about what a great tank the FV4202 is."

 

I guess WG had no better things to do than putting up a smokescreen for their lack of communication,



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View PostThrillhelm, on 07 March 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

"Oh the FV4202 is the greatest WG gift to manking but I want it for free even though I got compensated with a much better tank and a premium tier 8 on top of that, and it's such a good tank in an environment where WG nerfed E50 M and STB-1, has still OP Soviet medium tanks and let's ignore for a moment that other mediums exist on tier X so I can dream about what a great tank the FV4202 is."

 

I guess WG had no better things to do than putting up a smokescreen for their lack of communication,

 

1 that is subjective. AX is not better than the 4202, it is just different. The 8 prem was not wanted and is awful compared to other prems, and comparing it to the old 4202, the p is a disgrace. 

2 Soviet meds are not OP.

 

People were dreaming of this tank because IT WAS NEEDLESSLY REMOVED FROM THE GAME. They have finally acknowledged this and re-added, there was no smokescreen, and this is not the "clans" doing.


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View PostFusionStar287, on 07 March 2019 - 05:42 AM, said:

The FV4202 should keep its premium HESH rounds for multiple reasons.

Firstly, they make the tank very unique and offer a risk vs. reward style of ammo. Instead of just pressing a button for more pen you get an ammo type that can drastically increase your DPM when used well, and at the same time there are many cases in which its premium HESH is a worse option than its standard APCR since the HESH does have lower pen and can't pen through tracks/spaced armor. This adds extra tactics in every engagement the FV4202 is in and makes the tank feel much more rewarding to play.

Secondly, its standard APCR rounds are perfectly fine against the vast majority of tanks. Against most enemies having 268mm of pen is plenty to go through, and even many well armor tanks can be penned reliably though their weak points (which are also easily hit thanks to the FV4202's great gun handling). The only tanks that a FV4202 can't pen reliably in the open are the Maus and Type 5 Heavy, and both of those tanks are very easy to flank or retreat from when necessary (plus neither tank is very common to see in each match).

And lastly, the FV4202 is already an amazing tank as it is, so even if you view it getting a high pen HEAT round as a buff (which I'd argue isn't the case) you're arguing that one of the best, if not the best, tier X medium should be made even better. The FV4202 is in a great place where it is, as it's a great medium that really rewards high-skill play while requiring less experienced players to actually aim for weakpoints, flank, etc. instead of giving them the easy option of pressing the A button after they bounce a shot. The premium HESH adds to the character and the fun of the FV4202, as well as making it a devastating tank against enemies with mediocre armor, and to change that ammo to HEAT would be nothing but a bad change.

 

I completely agree.  The 4202 is such a unique tank at tier X.  No reason to make it like all the other heat spamming tanks at tier X.

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View PostThrillhelm, on 07 March 2019 - 10:21 AM, said:

There we are, FVanboys at work. Keep talking like its the hottest thing ever, its a redundant tank with HESH being its only redeeming quality. I wonder how long WG will last when they cater to clans who push their agendas.

About the same amount of time catering to bad players who don’t want OP tanks nerfed who push their agendas


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                

 





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