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Cad dao #1 Posted 19 March 2019 - 01:40 PM

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Hi all,

 

Actually, I'm questionning why putting as a tier VIII, the new premium tank HMH AMX 13 58 who have almost the same stats as the AMX 13 105 tier X. Why would a tier VIII light tank would be better or mostly even than his tier IX - X big brothers? Isn't supposed to evolve to better climbing up in the tier? Bottom levelling won't do any good and I fear going that way only push to turn things very unbalanced at the end. Starting to bring in beefed up low tier tanks won't solve anything in my eye. Old tanks same tier keep thier old stats so how everyone see's that? And what's the idea of light/medium tanks that carry enough fire power to kill or bring to death same tier heavies and TD with a single 3 round clip?


 

If it's feel to you that all go balanced that way, you have right to. But in my case, I fear it does no good in the game balance overall. Why not level all tier I to same stats then, do same to tier II all to the to tier? So then it just turn to getting skins to put on so your tank could have a different look but will have same stats than a same tier tank.


 

Sorry if I throw it like that, but I'm questionning myself where the game is going that way. Or your team get's wacked or wack the opposite team and mostly been concluded in less than 5 minutes. But we see very few match-up where it can go one way or the other.The skills of the players and knowledge of his tank strenghts and weakness seems to have lesser to say with time passing. Match-up should be challenging, not mostly decided on a throw of dice and hope is on your side.



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I understand your concern and believe that the game is heading that way but I don't actually think this tank is that overpowered it only has 165 avg pen and prem is only 210 and I don't know what t8 td can be clipped by it (at least 80% of the time) as it only hits for 300avg and that's if it hits with a base accuracy of .4 idk. It will mostly depend on soft stats at this point and we won't see those until later



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View PostCad dao, on 19 March 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

Sorry if I throw it like that, but I'm questionning myself where the game is going that way. Or your team get's wacked or wack the opposite team and mostly been concluded in less than 5 minutes. But we see very few match-up where it can go one way or the other.The skills of the players and knowledge of his tank strenghts and weakness seems to have lesser to say with time passing. Match-up should be challenging, not mostly decided on a throw of dice and hope is on your side.

Couldn't agree more :D


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The French nation needed a light premium tank at Tier VIII; this was a void that needed to be filled.

 

When you state the Mle 58 has "almost" the same stats as the 13-105, it comes down to the "almost". Although they look the same, they may feel the same, but they are different. While I accept that it may appear to be a "watered down" version of its big brother, it is quite enjoyable to play, and not irrelevant among the other premium light tanks from other nations.

 

My interpretation of wipe out losses, is that a vast majority of the players do not attempt to battle together with the other member of their team. When there is cooperation, there usually are good results. This is the crux of the matter.

 


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"Tier X tank masquerading as a Tier VIII" was said of the Defender also. IS-7 Hull, broken, op, etc.

 

That didn't break the game.


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If I had this tank, based off the numbers, I would be a sniper. I dont know the reload speed of an empty mag but I have to think that is the catch. Imagine using this thing as a dogfighter against other lights with HE. The real problem will be it can see 6s, if France needed a T8 premium light it would've been more reasonable with a 90 because it dwarfs the TT 8 light.

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View PostXenith_Inc, on 19 March 2019 - 08:39 AM, said:

"Tier X tank masquerading as a Tier VIII" was said of the Defender also. IS-7 Hull, broken, op, etc.

 

That didn't break the game.

 

probably wont break game for sure, but will cause logistical problems.

 



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It’s watered down in many aspects compared to the tier 10 to make it tier 8 worthy I don’t really understand the issue and I’m not even buying it. It’s not the same exact gun stats or anything

I also don’t see what you mean when you say it could clip out and kill same TIer TDS and Heavies, because it can’t. It has an average of 900 per clip and that requires penning all of them

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Does not seem to broken. Long reload, long intra clip reload, low pen, low damage. It seems pretty balanced. I mean 165/210 pen.... that's pretty weak. 

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long reload between shots and the low pen is rough, damage seems fine....if you pen

ArnaudMoa #11 Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:44 AM

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Hello,

 

Does the HMH AMX Modèle 58 have a camouflage bonus like all tanks with a special design?

I can't find the information about it.



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View PostArnaudMoa, on 21 March 2019 - 05:44 AM, said:

Hello,

 

Does the HMH AMX Modèle 58 have a camouflage bonus like all tanks with a special design?

I can't find the information about it.

 

Not initially.

You need to purchase it when you own the tank. In the case of this tank, it is invisible, so the appearance does not change.


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View PostP6X330, on 21 March 2019 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

Not initially.

You need to purchase it when you own the tank. In the case of this tank, it is invisible, so the appearance does not change.

 

I didn't know.

This tank is weird when you have already the tiers X. Not bad but difficult and moreover in tiers X games.

 


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View Posteclairdelanuit06, on 21 March 2019 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

I didn't know.

This tank is weird when you have already the tiers X. Not bad but difficult and moreover in tiers X games.

 

 

it is not an easy tank to play. If you own the 13-105 Tier X, you easily understand what it is; it does everything his older brother does, with more difficulty.

 

it has good looks though...


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Posting here links to the HMH Mle 58 threads in General Discussion, so they can be found again;

I include a stream from a French contents contributor.

 

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I’m actually drawn in by the trend of premiums that are watered down versions of tier Xs as opposed to a balanced tier VIII.

The focal strengths of the tier X at tier VIII is awesome to me.

With the Defender/252u it has the big gun alpha & abusive armor of the IS-7 at the expense of accuracy, view range, mobility, and dpm.

 

 

I guess it just boils down to a tier VIII having the same play style and feel of it’s tier X counterpart.

Though the tanks most certainly play like nerfed Xs instead of balanced VIIIs.


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View PostGIXXERCON 13, on 22 March 2019 - 11:37 AM, said

 

I guess it just boils down to a tier VIII having the same play style and feel of it’s tier X counterpart.

Though the tanks most certainly play like nerfed Xs instead of balanced VIIIs.

 

Is this your WoT take of the glass half empty or half full?

 

The HMH Mle 58 is good looking, I would dare say, probably nicer than its Tier X brother. There is actually a consensus on aspect from all those that have played the tank.

And there is also a consensual judgement that the intra-clip reload is unbearable.

 

 


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View PostP6X330, on 22 March 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

Is this your WoT take of the glass half empty or half full?

 

The HMH Mle 58 is good looking, I would dare say, probably nicer than its Tier X brother. There is actually a consensus on aspect from all those that have played the tank.

And there is also a consensual judgement that the intra-clip reload is unbearable.

Half full.

My overall position is that I’ve been so desperate for worthwhile tier VIII premiums that have tier X gimmicks (read:abilities) that are balanced for tier VIII.

I make the intraclip work in its current state, but like others, also feel that it is not a valid way of balancing the tank.

 

Do I want OP premium tanks that far surpass its equivalent TT counterpart? No

On the flip side of that, do I want neutered tanks that have too many weaknesses as a means of achieving balance? No again.

Is it too much to ask for tanks that have glaring weaknesses which can be compensated for through player ability?

Yes, the HMH 58 has some. Though they’re restricting the option to play multiple roles.

 

2° more track traverse and a 3 second intraclip would make this a solid VIII.


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View PostP6X330, on 21 March 2019 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

Not initially.

You need to purchase it when you own the tank. In the case of this tank, it is invisible, so the appearance does not change.

 

Thank you for your answer.

As I understand it, WarGaming took advantage of the fact that players were asking for transparent camouflage on regular tanks to create a premium light without camouflage bonuses to spend extra money on it. I remember a prostitute who was more honest.






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