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RF YIN #1 Posted 24 March 2019 - 05:07 PM

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the BC is no joke vehicle it’s very good but .38 accuracy and 2.7 aim time, am i driving an IS-7? way too sluggish and let’s not even talk about the 30 Ammo Count

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I would think a great majority of WoT players would disagree with you.

 

The B/C 25t is feared. So much, that often when spotted in the red team, specific mentions are made by those using coms.

 

I have not played mine much, for lack of a crew with the basic minimum perks/skills. The ammunition stock is a way to prevent it to  be OP.

 

And even if it looks bad on paper, those that play the B/C 25t well accept its weak points.


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The gun handling was nerfed because it was too good when first released and made the Lor 40t irrelevant. I do agree it needs more ammo, but the gun handling should probably stay as it is.  If they did buff it back up a bit I'd leave the aim time alone and just reduce the "Dispersion After Shot" to help keep the follow-up shots tidy.

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View PostRF YIN, on 24 March 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

the BC is no joke vehicle it’s very good but .38 accuracy and 2.7 aim time, am i driving an IS-7? way too sluggish and let’s not even talk about the 30 Ammo Count

 

Drive the Type 59 and u will be Happy with the bc 25t 

RF YIN #5 Posted 24 March 2019 - 11:29 PM

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oh don’t get it twisted they are amazing tanks (25&50) but the have the dumbest stats, the dispersion is disgraceful, the ammo would be no problem if half the shots fired didn’t hit the ground

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View PostP6X330, on 24 March 2019 - 05:16 PM, said:

I would think a great majority of WoT players would disagree with you.

 

The B/C 25t is feared. So much, that often when spotted in the red team, specific mentions are made by those using coms.

 

I have not played mine much, for lack of a crew with the basic minimum perks/skills. The ammunition stock is a way to prevent it to  be OP.

 

And even if it looks bad on paper, those that play the B/C 25t well accept its weak points.

 

It's only a feared tank when someone competent is driving it, otherwise it's 1800 free hit points to farm.

 

People still complain about it because of the potential damage it can inflict in a single clip. What they fail to realize, however, is that in order for a BC to do that and get away with it the tank they push on has to be horribly out of position.

 

View Postbux1303, on 24 March 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

Drive the Type 59 and u will be Happy with the bc 25t 

 

BC is worse in actual game play. Type 59 has turret armor and pmm.


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P6X330 #7 Posted 25 March 2019 - 01:00 PM

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View PostBaardgier, on 24 March 2019 - 07:24 PM, said:

 

It's only a feared tank when someone competent is driving it, otherwise it's 1800 free hit points to farm.

 

What you say is true for every single tank in the game.

 

Some players are drawn to tanks with that reputation of being "good". I could never understand what it means; a good tank is as good as the guy that plays it.

 

What we have, are tanks which are more "forgiving" than others, and mostly heavies with a lot of armor.

 

 


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View PostP6X330, on 25 March 2019 - 01:00 PM, said:

 

What you say is true for every single tank in the game.

 

Some players are drawn to tanks with that reputation of being "good". I could never understand what it means; a good tank is as good as the guy that plays it.

 

What we have, are tanks which are more "forgiving" than others, and mostly heavies with a lot of armor.

 

Yes and no. It's true that a tank is just a multiplier to a players skill, with a lot of the French line, as well as most mediums and lights having higher risk versus reward to them than most of the other tanks. The main differences with the BC though is how much it has to overcome to perform well since high tier lights were introduced. The BC has always been extremely unforgiving, more so than a vast majority of other high skill gap tanks.

 

The BC has always been the first tier 10 light in the role it played simply because of the many disadvantages it has. Those range from tier lowest hp of any medium, worst all around gun handling, lowest ammo count, really bad armor (it can troll, but it's not reliable by any means), and now with tier 10 lights the BC truly has no role it can play reliably. High tier light tanks overtook the BCs role and do what it can do but much, much better given they have similar view ranges, but don't lose camo value while moving and have similar (or in more than a few cases) have better overall camo as well.


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View PostBaardgier, on 25 March 2019 - 07:10 AM, said:

 

Yes and no. It's true that a tank is just a multiplier to a players skill, with a lot of the French line, as well as most mediums and lights having higher risk versus reward to them than most of the other tanks. The main differences with the BC though is how much it has to overcome to perform well since high tier lights were introduced. The BC has always been extremely unforgiving, more so than a vast majority of other high skill gap tanks.

 

The BC has always been the first tier 10 light in the role it played simply because of the many disadvantages it has. Those range from tier lowest hp of any medium, worst all around gun handling, lowest ammo count, really bad armor (it can troll, but it's not reliable by any means), and now with tier 10 lights the BC truly has no role it can play reliably. High tier light tanks overtook the BCs role and do what it can do but much, much better given they have similar view ranges, but don't lose camo value while moving and have similar (or in more than a few cases) have better overall camo as well.

 

But you do remember that thread where the OP posted that the B/C 25t was superior to the AMX 13-105 in every compartment of the game?

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View PostP6X330, on 25 March 2019 - 01:16 PM, said:

 

But you do remember that thread where the OP posted that the B/C 25t was superior to the AMX 13-105 in every compartment of the game?

 

That's definitely not true, and I have over 2,000 combined games between the two tanks as experience for why the BC isn't superior in every compartment that matters to game play.


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View PostBaardgier, on 25 March 2019 - 08:07 AM, said:

 

That's definitely not true, and I have over 2,000 combined games between the two tanks as experience for why the BC isn't superior in every compartment that matters to game play.

 

I have 1387 battles in the 13-105, and 0 in the Bat-Chat 25t; 1,124 in the 13-90 and 187 in the Bat-Chat 25t AP;

 

I do not have enough basis for comparison, and while I have 12 competences on both my 13's, I played the AP with two maximum. Also, I did not have the possibility to play the Bat-Chats before they changed the specifications.

 

I kind of liked the AP, but again, it is tough to not have the Sixth Sense on a medium.


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View PostRF YIN, on 24 March 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

oh don’t get it twisted they are amazing tanks (25&50)

 

So what's the issue?

 

You said it yourself, it's amazing.

 

No tank will ever be, nor should they, be good at everything.



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If it was to get any buff I'd like to see the aim time come down, although running coffee and vents can help. I'd be happy with a 20% reduction in the reload time and losing a shell i.e. make it a four shot but more interested in aim time.

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View PostOrbtastic1, on 26 March 2019 - 07:07 AM, said:

If it was to get any buff I'd like to see the aim time come down, although running coffee and vents can help. I'd be happy with a 20% reduction in the reload time and losing a shell i.e. make it a four shot but more interested in aim time.

 

I am in agreement that aim time has a lot of incidence on the overall success of a tank.

 

I have lately been grinding tanks with 2.7 and 3 seconds aim time, special mention to the Tusk too, and attempting to shoot before full aim is a shell wasted. At higher tiers, the target has plenty of time to retreat; I started to run GLD, and I know it is a controversial subject, but I did a lot of testing alternating vents and GLD, and I chose to keep GLD on 3 seconds aiming guns. 

I am aware of the restrictions to have an efficient GLD.


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View PostRoad Runnerdn, on 25 March 2019 - 09:58 PM, said:

 

So what's the issue?

 

You said it yourself, it's amazing.

 

No tank will ever be, nor should they, be good at everything.

the issue lies within the fact that needs to be tweaked lol, anything is only as effective as it’s operator but when rng comes into play it’s a different story, there are a lot of tanks that need tweaking regardless 



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View PostRF YIN, on 21 May 2019 - 07:39 AM, said:

the issue lies within the fact that needs to be tweaked lol, anything is only as effective as it’s operator but when rng comes into play it’s a different story, there are a lot of tanks that need tweaking regardless 

 

I have played my 25t now, the Machine "oblige", and I have now a better idea of what it is. The reload and the aim time of course, but the accuracy makes penetration a bit chancy since aiming at weak points is a lottery.

 

The 25t works better if played as a flanker. I have systematically bounced shots on both Conquerors and S'Conquerors. The 25t AP does a lot better in Tier IX battles.


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game is a joke the spec's you give for the b c -12 t are a completely lies just shot a tier 6 amx 12 t 58 hit points left shot and hit him twice and then i had to ram him twice to kill him  so this game is full of [edited]and go ahead and ban me for being honest like you  always do   

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View PostSmokeKiller43, on 24 May 2019 - 11:28 AM, said:

game is a joke the spec's you give for the b c -12 t are a completely lies just shot a tier 6 amx 12 t 58 hit points left shot and hit him twice and then i had to ram him twice to kill him  so this game is full of [edited]and go ahead and ban me for being honest like you  always do   

Way to stay on topic lol






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