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Unholy Lucipurr #1 Posted 26 March 2019 - 03:34 PM

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Sadly, another batch of balanced tanks from PC arrive on console, nerfed into the ground.  Even though these tanks were specifically tailored to be balanced in the current PC meta, they are straight down graded here on console, where we have a broken meta filled with abominations such as tier 10 TDs.

 

Progetto M40 mod. 65 (X)

  • Reload time:  | 9.6 | 11.5 | 13.4 | 15.3 |  | 13 | 15 | 17 | 19 |
  • DPM:  | 2250 | 1878 | 1612 | 1412 |  | 1661 | 1440 | 1270 | 1137 |
  • Terrain Resistance:  0.8 / 0.9 / 1.8 0.9 / 1.1 / 1.6

 

Prototipo Standard B (IX)

  • Reload time:  | 10.5 | 12.5 | 14.4 |  | 15.7 | 17.7 | 19.7 |
  • DPM:  | 2057 | 1728 | 1500 |  | 1376 | 1220 | 1096 |
  • Hull traverse:  54  44

 

P.44 Pantera (VIII)

  • Reload time: | 7.7 | 9.6 | 10.5 |  | 10.6 | 12.6 | 13.6 |
  • DPM:  | 1870 | 1500 | 1371 |  | 1358 | 1143 | 1058 |
  • Power to weight:  22.44  16.51
  • Hull traverse:  54  46

 

P.43 ter (VII)

  • DPM:  1,800  1,600
  • Hull traverse:  44  40

 

P.43 bis (VI)

  • DPM:  1,920  1,757

 

P.43 (V)

  • DPM:  1,610  1,466
  • Hull traverse:  48 → 42

 

P26/40 (IV)

  • DPM:  1,571  1,404
  • Hull traverse:  46  42

 

M15/42 (III)

  • Hull traverse:  42  38

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I was right, WG actually gave the tier X a longer than 60 second reload. :teethhappy:

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1600 dpm at tier 10 lol

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Teffisk #4 Posted 26 March 2019 - 03:40 PM

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15 seconds for a tier 9 105mm medium tank? Have the people who made this decision ever played this game? What a joke. I really question why I even play this game.

ll Jedi Dado #5 Posted 26 March 2019 - 03:41 PM

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is this a joke?

 


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Too much in my opinion.

I can understand WG's idea of nerfing DPM (athough I think they can balnce it in a different way). But even with all boosts on reload, DPM of this tank would be so soft that it could be outperformed by TVP and B-C on every single map. 

 

 



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View Postll Jedi Dado, on 26 March 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:

is this a joke?

 

Sadly not.  The only stat values I can't verify is the gun handling aside from the tier 10.  Whether or not those were also nerfed is unknown unless someone who owns those vehicles can post and or calculate the coefficient values.

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So this is WG's strategy now? There too lazy to properly balance the tanks so they just nerf them in to the ground and go "[edited]it, they'll at least not be overpowered". 

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Wargaming, you put the Pz V/IV in the game, the Absolution in the game, the Tiger 131 in the game, and have the fully buffed Deathstar and WT auf E100 in the game. You should be ashamed.

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Why not put these on your earlier thread? :)

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I had already accepted that the Italian autoreloaders would get the worst dpm's for their respective tiers, but what really baffles me is why did their mobility get nerfed. Are they not all glass cannons after all?

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Can you please add the burst value to these criticisms? There might be a 60 second reload, but how much damage is that tier X going to do if it dumps all 4 shells, and in how long?

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Joke of an update. The T57 Heavy can reload 2 times before it can even a full clip load once. Why did they feel the need to even nerf the 7, the 6, the 5, and even the tier 4 and 3? At every tier these tanks are uncompetitive. I'd rather play the T-34-2 than the Pantera at this point.

View PostXenith_Inc, on 26 March 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

There might be a 60 second reload, but how much damage is that tier X going to do if it dumps all 4 shells, and in how long?

360 damage per shell, so not much. 2.5 second interclip makes it even worse.

 



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good god those reloads... you can reload the 6 shots in a big waffle faster than that...


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View PostXenith_Inc, on 26 March 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

Can you please add the burst value to these criticisms? There might be a 60 second reload, but how much damage is that tier X going to do if it dumps all 4 shells, and in how long?

 

360 alpha per shot with a 2.5 second interclip on the tier 10. Basically, you take over a minute to do a grand total of 1,440 damage on average. While the Waffle with a shorter reload can do 3,360 in literally the exact same amount of time in regards to burst damage (7.5 seconds total to unload both clips).

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View PostBaardgier, on 26 March 2019 - 10:02 AM, said:

 

360 alpha per shot with a 2.5 second interclip on the tier 10. Basically, you take over a minute to do a grand total of 1,440 damage on average. While the Waffle with a shorter reload can do 3,360 in literally the exact same amount of time in regards to burst damage (7.5 seconds total to unload both clips).

 

And the Waffle e-100 has better pen, accuracy, aimtime, and etc. :teethhappy:

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View PostBigHundy, on 26 March 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

1600 dpm at tier 10 lol

 

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Hahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

 

You KNEW this would happen. Can't be power creeping existing tech trees, so just nerf the dung out of the new lines. 






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