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Tempest fox3 #41 Posted 26 March 2019 - 05:51 PM

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View PostXenith_Inc, on 26 March 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

Can you please add the burst value to these criticisms? There might be a 60 second reload, but how much damage is that tier X going to do if it dumps all 4 shells, and in how long?

 

It's a 105mm and doesn't even have the standard 390 alpha of all the other 105mm armed mediums. It instead has 360 alpha. 

 

Sorry but you can't say a damn thing about an autoloader that is able to dump 1440 per clip being even remotely op when the un-nerfed waffle exists. Especially when it has a similar reload.

 

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Wargaming how much punishment do we still need to get?
Or do you want everyone to leave?

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Now all they have to do is to buff russian easiums and this game is perfect.

 


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I've been playing the Standard B. The reload is sooo painful, the pen (which is "exactly the same as the PTA) is unreliable to put it mildly ... and 3 seconds between shots!?! What the actual $@*% are you on?

I'm having to swap to heat (which I hate with a vengeance) to reliably pen. I was tempted to swap back to the tier VIII gun.

Yes I've had 2 great games but Jesus, give the tank a chance.


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View PostTeffisk, on 26 March 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

15 seconds for a tier 9 105mm medium tank? Have the people who made this decision ever played this game? What a joke. I really question why I even play this game.

 

WG doesn't want little Timmy in his tier 10 no-skill TD to get angry when he's outplayed by a unicum in a Italian medium at tier 8+ 

 

And anyone saying these nerfs are fine are likely scrub players. Supertesters are also to blame for these changes as well. They're no friends of the community. Just WG shills. 


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View PostNuke2099, on 26 March 2019 - 11:20 AM, said:

 

WG doesn't want little Timmy in his tier 10 no-skill TD to get angry when he's outplayed by a unicum in a Italian medium at tier 8+ 

 

And anyone saying these nerfs are fine are likely scrub players. Supertesters are also to blame for these changes as well. They're no friends of the community. Just WG shills

 So much this. 

 

If you ever see a super uni player in a 183 or waffle, go somewhere else.

 

Granted there aren't many super unis playing those tanks regularly.... 

 

Typically only poor player are in waffles, death stars, type 5s, as they essentially negate the whole armor system and pen mechanic in the game. 



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View PostNuke2099, on 26 March 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

WG doesn't want little Timmy in his tier 10 no-skill TD to get angry when he's outplayed by a unicum in a Italian medium at tier 8+ 

 

And anyone saying these nerfs are fine are likely scrub players. Supertesters are also to blame for these changes as well. They're no friends of the community. Just WG shills. 

“How am I supposed to reload my Deathstar three times, or my T110E4 four times, for every magazine reload that those darned Italian tanks get if they don’t get nerfed?!”

 

Since the Deathstar having ~4k DPM with 275 pen HESH is balanced because “I don’t pen every time, sometimes I miss their “weakpoints” for 700 damage instead.”



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View Postenntropy, on 26 March 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:

 So much this. 

 

If you ever see a super uni player in a 183 or waffle, go somewhere else.

 

Granted there aren't many super unis playing those tanks regularly.... 

 

Typically only poor player are in waffles, death stars, type 5s, as they essentially negate the whole armor system and pen mechanic in the game. 

 

As an ex supertester from a long time ago I know that the testers are supposed to test the tanks and see if they're working etc however I do know there's a group within there that hates mediums and lights with a passion. However I will say there's also a chance the testers had nothing to do with the balance changes since WG has done stuff on a whim before without any testing.
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View PostNuke2099, on 26 March 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

As an ex supertester from a long time ago I know that the testers are supposed to test the tanks and see if they're working etc however I do know there's a group within there that hates mediums and lights with a passion. However I will say there's also a chance the testers had nothing to do with the balance changes since WG has done stuff on a whim before without any testing.

Doesn't like lights or mediums?

 

So they are scrub players that have to play the dumb people tanks. You know...heavies and tds.



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View PostHomicidalApple0, on 26 March 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

good god those reloads... you can reload the 6 shots in a big waffle faster than that...

 

How on earth did WGCB think this was balanced? It's like they're purposely trying to drive the game into the ground.

 

A tier 10 glass cannon with tier 6 level DPM and nerfed mobility that reloads four 360 alpha shots SLOWER than the waflle reloads six 560 alpha shots....



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View PostAsmodeios, on 26 March 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:

Doesn't like lights or mediums?

 

So they are scrub players that have to play the dumb people tanks. You know...heavies and tds.

Not all but most bad or even normal average players gravitate towards heavies and TD's because most of them take less skill to play than most mediums and lights.


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I know nerfs were coming but this is Object 268 v 4-situation once again... :( WG overnerfed Italians, especially tiers 8-10. Weak... :(

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View PostNuke2099, on 26 March 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

Not all but most bad or even normal average players gravitate towards heavies and TD's because most of them take less skill to play than most mediums and lights.

 

it seem's any tech tree that has a high skill ceiling gets nerfed into oblivion while things like the waffle, deathstar, e4, etc continue to trundle along untouched and completely baffling balance changes to buff already well performing tanks and nerf others...

 

italian autoloader glass cannons nerfed into the ground, check

Czech autoloader line ruined, check

t-54 buffed, check

e-75 buffed, check

wz 132 1, a tank no one played already, nerfed again, check

amx 30b ruined, check

 

etc.....



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Does anyone have reliable data on how the Progetto premium has been performing on Xbox/PS4? I know a lot of us have complained (myself included) but overall I do pretty well in the thing. And others who were in the same threads, also seemed to all be performing pretty well in theirs, despite complaints.So I'm just wondering if they have legit data to support these stats on the TT, based off of how the Progetto premium has done so far. I couldn't get WOTinfo to really show what looks to be reliable data, so I figured I'd ask. I'm not defending the nerfs, just asking a question.

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Went on tanks to play arty and balance some of these TT Italian tanks myself, but I only found 1 in like 9 battles. Why is no one playing them? Very mysterious.

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View PostAJH387, on 26 March 2019 - 07:29 PM, said:

Does anyone have reliable data on how the Progetto premium has been performing on Xbox/PS4? I know a lot of us have complained (myself included) but overall I do pretty well in the thing. And others who were in the same threads, also seemed to all be performing pretty well in theirs, despite complaints.So I'm just wondering if they have legit data to support these stats on the TT, based off of how the Progetto premium has done so far. I couldn't get WOTinfo to really show what looks to be reliable data, so I figured I'd ask. I'm not defending the nerfs, just asking a question.

 

You're a good player. I just did 4k combined in a stock Panterra in a tier 9 game with a tier 6 gun. Next they will nerf the stock gun too. 165 pen stand 195 prem at tier 8 lol.


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View PostNuke2099, on 26 March 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

 

You're a good player. I just did 4k combined in a stock Panterra in a tier 9 game with a tier 6 gun. Next they will nerf the stock gun too. 165 pen stand 195 prem at tier 8 lol.

Give it awful accuracy as well and you basically have the HMH 58. :trollface:


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WOW!

And people got all bent out of shape when I called the devs trash:trollface:



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View PostNuke2099, on 26 March 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

 

You're a good player. I just did 4k combined in a stock Panterra in a tier 9 game with a tier 6 gun. Next they will nerf the stock gun too. 165 pen stand 195 prem at tier 8 lol.

:trollface: Lol

View PostFusionStar287, on 26 March 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

Give it awful accuracy as well and you basically have the HMH 58. :trollface:

I'm glad I get to read the forums during the day, at work. If not, I would have impulse bought that thing the afternoon that it came out. So I thank you guys for saving me money.



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View PostFusionStar287, on 26 March 2019 - 07:48 PM, said:

Give it awful accuracy as well and you basically have the HMH 58. :trollface:

 

It already has bad gun handling.
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