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So, Why does the Rover-237 get better matchmaking than the snakebite?

matchmaking top tier Rover-237 Snakebite T-50-2

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Tempest fox3 #1 Posted 30 March 2019 - 03:09 PM

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I find this a bit inconsistent on Wargamings part, the Snakebite and the T-50-2 both effectively have tier 7 Pref matchmaking while the Rover-237 has standard tier 6 +2/-2. 

 

But the Rover-237 is arguably better in pretty much every way that matters

 

Rover-237

HP/T 27.29 

Ground resistance 0.7 / 0.8 / 1.5

Top speed 70km/h

Traverse 52 (tracks) 46 (turret)

Penetration 130/160/38

Alpha 115/115/185

Rof 16.67

Accuracy 0.42

Aim time 1.9s

View range 390

Concealment 0.25 (Moving and stationary) Not including paint

DPM 1917.05

hitpoints 600

 

Snakebite

HP/T 30.52

Ground resistance 0.5 / 0.6 / 1.5

Top speed 80kmph

Traverse 52 (Tracks) 52 (turret)

Penetration 91/144/38

Alpha 110/110/175

Rof 20

Accuracy 0.41

Aim time 1.9s

View range 370

Concealment 0.28 (Moving and stationary) this includes paint bonus as the tank cannot buy paint

DPM 2200

hitpoint 750

 

T-50-2

HP/T 35.20

Ground resistance 0.7 / 0.8 / 1.6

Top speed 72 kmph

Traverse 50 (tracks) 45 (turret)

Penetration 112/189/29

Alpha 85/85/95

Rof 20.69

Accuracy 0.34

Aim time 1.8s

View range 390

Concealment 0.25 (Moving and stationary) Not including paint

DPM 1758.65

hitpoints 580

 

Type 64

HP/T 21.74

Ground resistance 0.7 / 0.8 / 1.7

Top speed 72 kmph

Traverse 56 (tracks) 36 (turret)

Penetration 128/177/38

Alpha 115/115/185

Rof 18.18

Accuracy 0.40

Aim time 2.1s

View range 390

Concealment 0.27 (Moving and stationary) Not including paint

DPM 2080.7

hitpoints 580

 

I'm not seeing anything that should mean the T-50-2 and the Snakebite need worse matchmaking, particularly when you consider how low their penetration is. 


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The new tank is balanced.

The others need buffs, imo.

 

Not the other way around.

Especially the Snakebite. The gun might as well not even be on the tank.


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Tempest fox3 #3 Posted 30 March 2019 - 03:18 PM

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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 03:13 PM, said:

The new tank is balanced.

The others need buffs, imo.

 

Not the other way around.

Especially the Snakebite. The gun might as well not even be on the tank.

 

Not sure I would call the Rover-237 balanced, but I'm not arguing that it should be given worse matchmaking. I'm arguing that the Snakebite and T-50-2 should be given normal matchmaking like the others. 

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Consistency is hard. 

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View PostTempest fox3, on 30 March 2019 - 03:18 PM, said:

 

Not sure I would call the Rover-237 balanced, but I'm not arguing that it should be given worse matchmaking. I'm arguing that the Snakebite and T-50-2 should be given normal matchmaking like the others. 

 

Well, then that would be a buff to those 3 tanks, which is what I was suggesting.

Looking through the stats on the 237 it looks good but not OP, but I'd have to drive it to see that.

Snakebite is one of the worst premium tanks I've ever purchased, PERIOD.

 


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The Snakebite probably should get standard MM since it's basically just a Cromwell that trades its gun and armor for better speed/mobility, although perhaps WG didn't want a tank that easily does 80kph facing tier IVs. I do see why the T-50-2 only sees tier VII and VIII games though, since it's a very small tank with great acceleration and ground resistances, it has both a fantastic view range and camo rating (it's actually 0.3 base concealment, not 0.25), its gun has good premium pen while being very accurate on the move, and it even has just enough armor to occasionally bounce shells.

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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 04:29 PM, said:

 

Well, then that would be a buff to those 3 tanks, which is what I was suggesting.

Looking through the stats on the 237 it looks good but not OP, but I'd have to drive it to see that.

Snakebite is one of the worst premium tanks I've ever purchased, PERIOD.

 

 

Snakebite is the worst...?!? What have you've been smoking? It's one of the funniest premium tanks out there! Yes, gun is lacking penetration but that's for balancing reasons, not a problem.

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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

 

Well, then that would be a buff to those 3 tanks, which is what I was suggesting.

Looking through the stats on the 237 it looks good but not OP, but I'd have to drive it to see that.

Snakebite is one of the worst premium tanks I've ever purchased, PERIOD.

 

 

it is op lol

 


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237 is one of the best tier VI light out there.

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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

 

Well, then that would be a buff to those 3 tanks, which is what I was suggesting.

Looking through the stats on the 237 it looks good but not OP, but I'd have to drive it to see that.

Snakebite is one of the worst premium tanks I've ever purchased, PERIOD.

 

 

It's literally a better T37. Premiums should never be better than their tech tree equivalent. Especially if it's a reskin of a Tech tree tank.  

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View PostDwarfOnDrugs, on 30 March 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

 

it is op lol

To be fair at least it's not OP in the same sense as a tank like the Absolution is, as the Rover still takes a fair amount of skill to have good results in and any bad player is going to really struggle in it.


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View PostTempest fox3, on 30 March 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

It's literally a better T37. Premiums should never be better than their tech tree equivalent. Especially if it's a reskin of a Tech tree tank.  

It's not entirely better than the T37. After all, the 237 has a worse aim time and worse dispersion values while moving. :trollface:


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View PostFusionStar287, on 30 March 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

It's not entirely better than the T37. After all, the 237 has a worse aim time and worse dispersion values while moving. :trollface:

 

The worse dispersion while moving is due to it being faster and having better traverse rates. 

 

While the 0.1s aim time difference is meaningless. 


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View PostTempest fox3, on 30 March 2019 - 11:32 AM, said:

 

The worse dispersion while moving is due to it being faster and having better traverse rates. 

 

While the 0.1s aim time difference is meaningless. 

I know, although it should be mentioned that it's actually a 0.2 second faster aim time. :P

 

Regardless, this is one instance where I'm just so happy to have what is essentially a faster Bobblehead Chaffee in my garage that I'm alright with it being slightly OP. If anything I feel that the T37 should get a few buffs to give it more of a reason to exist.


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View PostTempest fox3, on 30 March 2019 - 04:08 PM, said:

 

It's literally a better T37. Premiums should never be better than their tech tree equivalent. Especially if it's a reskin of a Tech tree tank.  

 

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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 05:12 PM, said:

 

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The snakebite and T-50-2 need penetration buffs. Also, I would have rather seen the Rover-237 given a slight dpm & HP/T buff and barred from seeing tier IV's. Top tier lights can be rediculously OP in the right hands at those tiers.

Note: Slightly biased as I'm of the belief that LT's were better/better balanced pre 4.6


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View Postgenroul RAAM, on 30 March 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

The snakebite and T-50-2 need penetration buffs. Also, I would have rather seen the Rover-237 given a slight dpm & HP/T buff and barred from seeing tier IV's. Top tier lights can be rediculously OP in the right hands at those tiers.

Note: Slightly biased as I'm of the belief that LT's were better/better balanced pre 4.6

Why does the T-50-2 need a pen buff? It's already up there with the Rover as one of the best lights tier for tier in the game, plus it already has enough pen for the sides of most tanks.


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View PostTempest fox3, on 30 March 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

 

If you have nothing constructive to add buzz off. 

 

Arguing that premiums shouldn't be better than tech tree tanks is equally as constructive.

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The snakebite just needs a penetration buff. 90mm of penetration is terrible at tier 6, let alone 7 (and let's not even consider tier 8)




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