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So, Why does the Rover-237 get better matchmaking than the snakebite?

matchmaking top tier Rover-237 Snakebite T-50-2

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BigHundy #21 Posted 30 March 2019 - 08:13 PM

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View PostVorpallion, on 30 March 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

The snakebite just needs a penetration buff. 90mm of penetration is terrible at tier 6, let alone 7 (and let's not even consider tier 8)

 

It's not even the pen.

You can't hit anything in this tank.

The gun is abysmal in all aspects.

 

The only way to play it is active or passive scout.

The gun might as well not even be fixed to the tank.

 

Worst premium I have ever purchased.

 

The T-50-2 is so much better than the Snakebite it's not even funny.

The Snakebite should be a tier 5 ffs.


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Wroclaw #22 Posted 30 March 2019 - 09:15 PM

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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

Snakebite is one of the worst premium tanks I've ever purchased, PERIOD.

 

according to your sig pic your stats are better than mine. i dont see how you could be better at the game than i am & think the Snakebite is a bad tank.

 

it owns as a light.



Blakenstein131 #23 Posted 30 March 2019 - 09:16 PM

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Yeah gotta admit Snakebite does need a slight buff to its gun and pen.

 

While we are on the subject of T6 premiums. Did the Knight get it’s gun hit by the nerfbat and the Cromwell for that matter, I have had a bit of a hiatus and returned after 6 or so months (always come back though) and both these tanks guns don’t seem to play the way I remember them, alternatively I am just out of practice.



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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

Arguing that premiums shouldn't be better than tech tree tanks is equally as constructive.

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Why, because it's true or because it's an opinion you don't like?

 

Snakebite needs a pen buff but is otherwise fine. 


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Wait, the Snakebite has a gun on it?

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View PostWroclaw, on 30 March 2019 - 09:15 PM, said:

 

according to your sig pic your stats are better than mine. i dont see how you could be better at the game than i am & think the Snakebite is a bad tank.

 

it owns as a light.

 

I love light tanks.

i hate the dispersion and accuracy on the snakebite.

 

the speed is fun, but given a choice the t-50-2 is far superior with the same weirdo mm


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View PostTempest fox3, on 30 March 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

Why, because it's true or because it's an opinion you don't like?

 

Snakebite needs a pen buff but is otherwise fine. 

 

no because that ship sailed years ago.

the concept I agree with, arguing for it now is moot.

 


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View PostBigHundy, on 30 March 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

I love light tanks.

i hate the dispersion and accuracy on the snakebite.

 

the speed is fun, but given a choice the t-50-2 is far superior with the same weirdo mm

 

I do better in the snakebite than the T-50-2 for the most part. 

 

Not that I don't like the T-50-2. 


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Give Snakebite the 390m view range that the 237 and 50-2 has. Might be too powerful.

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View PostFusionStar287, on 30 March 2019 - 11:40 AM, said:

Why does the T-50-2 need a pen buff? It's already up there with the Rover as one of the best lights tier for tier in the game, plus it already has enough pen for the sides of most tanks.

Because I want it to get +4 MM back :D



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They just need to give the 50-2 electronic stability control

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If only max could show us the data that justifies the snakebite and T-50-2 having worse matchmaking that a tank that is arguably superior.

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f1mitku #33 Posted 31 March 2019 - 09:15 AM

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Yes. Snakebite and T-50-2 should have standard MM. And maybe some pen buff.

No nerfs needed. 



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View PostTempest fox3, on 30 March 2019 - 11:09 PM, said:

I find this a bit inconsistent on Wargamings part, the Snakebite and the T-50-2 both effectively have tier 7 Pref matchmaking while the Rover-237 has standard tier 6 +2/-2. 

 

But the Rover-237 is arguably better in pretty much every way that matters

 

Rover-237

HP/T 27.29 

Ground resistance 0.7 / 0.8 / 1.5

Top speed 70km/h

Traverse 52 (tracks) 46 (turret)

Penetration 130/160/38

Alpha 115/115/185

Rof 16.67

Accuracy 0.42

Aim time 1.9s

View range 390

Concealment 0.25 (Moving and stationary) Not including paint

DPM 1917.05

hitpoints 600

 

Snakebite

HP/T 30.52

Ground resistance 0.5 / 0.6 / 1.5

Top speed 80kmph

Traverse 52 (Tracks) 52 (turret)

Penetration 91/144/38

Alpha 110/110/175

Rof 20

Accuracy 0.41

Aim time 1.9s

View range 370

Concealment 0.28 (Moving and stationary) this includes paint bonus as the tank cannot buy paint

DPM 2200

hitpoint 750

 

T-50-2

HP/T 35.20

Ground resistance 0.7 / 0.8 / 1.6

Top speed 72 kmph

Traverse 50 (tracks) 45 (turret)

Penetration 112/189/29

Alpha 85/85/95

Rof 20.69

Accuracy 0.34

Aim time 1.8s

View range 390

Concealment 0.25 (Moving and stationary) Not including paint

DPM 1758.65

hitpoints 580

 

Type 64

HP/T 21.74

Ground resistance 0.7 / 0.8 / 1.7

Top speed 72 kmph

Traverse 56 (tracks) 36 (turret)

Penetration 128/177/38

Alpha 115/115/185

Rof 18.18

Accuracy 0.40

Aim time 2.1s

View range 390

Concealment 0.27 (Moving and stationary) Not including paint

DPM 2080.7

hitpoints 580

 

I'm not seeing anything that should mean the T-50-2 and the Snakebite need worse matchmaking, particularly when you consider how low their penetration is. 

The APCR pen values don’t seem to relate to the relative magnitude of their AP rounds either but the snakebite seems to get the worst of it. How is 189 pen at tier VI  balanced and is it russian bias balanced.?


 

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View Posttest777777, on 31 March 2019 - 09:32 AM, said:

The APCR pen values don’t seem to relate to the relative magnitude of their AP rounds either but the snakebite seems to get the worst of it. How is 189 pen at tier VI  balanced and is it russian bias balanced.?

 

Russian tech tree tanks can get that same 57mm from tier 4.


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View Posttest777777, on 31 March 2019 - 04:32 AM, said:

The APCR pen values don’t seem to relate to the relative magnitude of their AP rounds either but the snakebite seems to get the worst of it. How is 189 pen at tier VI  balanced and is it russian bias balanced.?

 

The Snakebite should have the same gun as the mid-upgraded TT Cromwell with the short barreled HV 75mm has. It’s supposed to be that tank with higher speed and less armor after all. But while it has the same handling and RoF it has less pen all around for some reason. 

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He said he didn’t have any stress. Either he was right or else it became someone else’s problem. 


Tempest fox3 #37 Posted 26 April 2019 - 11:55 PM

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Just revisiting this, neither the snakebite or T-50-2 should have the matchmaking they currently have.

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Snakebite got screwed during the light tank reset awhile back.  Back when lights were +3/-1, PMM was a bonus.  

 

Rover is a bit OP.  I didn't even buy one, but being that it is just a buffed T-37 that can take any crew and has perm camo....it is a pretty strong tank.    I don't buy a lot of tanks, but this one will be on my "50% off" list if/when it comes around.  


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