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TYLERT632 #41 Posted 20 April 2019 - 09:12 PM

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View Postnatedaishmaster, on 10 April 2019 - 10:50 PM, said:

In all of my experience in this game I can honestly say that the game is in no way shape or form rigged. It would be incredibly difficult to modulate RNG based on win rate and if they could do that, how do players like me end up with win rates far higher than 50%? Everything that I've seen has been explainable. Everybody with their tinfoil hats don't see the lucky bounces or crazy shots that they pen. Negative bias makes humans see negative events as twice as bad as the equivalant positive event. It's easy to notice the streak of bad games but it's difficult to notice the good nights. I run solo or 2 man platoons 99% of the time. I have bad games all the time where I get yoloed or my team is garbage but that is the exception, even though it can sometimes feel like the regular.

Finally someone with some sense and maturity. So sick of listening to people feeling sorry for themselves because they don't like the fact that they are on a losing streak. "Can't be my fault, must be MM or RNG." 



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View PostTYLERT632, on 20 April 2019 - 09:12 PM, said:

Finally someone with some sense and maturity. So sick of listening to people feeling sorry for themselves because they don't like the fact that they are on a losing streak. "Can't be my fault, must be MM or RNG." 

 

And on the other side i am sure they are sick of listening to you and tired of being told they are noobs or blind or get good or whatever because their opinion is contradictory to yours.  Ofcourse the person you quoted supports what you believe so he/she is mature and has sense.

 

I find it funny that this forum talks about not bullying or embarrassing people by posting their names and such in images but the op is beat up because his opinion is different and that ok? 

 

How about this, if you are tried of seeing them, don't look.  Move on to a different thread or post something that shows why you are right and there is no problem right now or how he wrong or why if you want to support or contradict the argument.

 You talk about having a mature and sensible conversation but your comment has none of that and adds nothing to these people's discussion.  So think about that.

 

Inclosing  if WG is not going to take this seriously and enough people are having what they believe to be a problem with the game then I say keep posting them maybe they will listen and there can be an honest discussion with WG about what is going on in detail and maybe it can be put to rest.



bigpikle #43 Posted 04 June 2019 - 07:35 PM

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I want to thank all of you who offered sound advice. Please continue as you are helping a lot of players with your suggestions and perspectives on the game. I have not been a year yet and have 15k games and am still a noob as this game has subtleties that amaze me every day. I have bounced shots that should have killed me and missed shots while face-hugging. I review the gameplay to figure out what went right and/or wrong. RNG has caused my wife to come down from the second floor with a baseball bat at 03:00 because she thought I was fighting an intruder (it just an E100 that refused to be penned from the side by my STRV103B with APCR). Lost packets messed up my game the last couple of days and now I figured it out after reading this. Guys, you can only help those who understand their limitations and seek to improve their game play. Please keep it up and thank you for your time and efforts. May RNG treat you favourably (unless you are a red)

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View PostMEGAblaster96, on 09 April 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

Playing though an endless series of losses today, I've had it. The last five in a row were absolutely ridiculous crushing defeats where my team could barely score 1-2 kills (attached image is and example of one). After reading jspringer1126's post, I realize that I'm not alone. Something is completely f***** with the MM system & RNG in this game. Most likely it's rigged.

 

I have a winrate about 50% and k/d ratio above 1. I don't think its a mere coincidence at all when I get rows of these games where I can hardly damage, let alone kill anything. The most plain to see example of this was me shooting up into an unangled E100's lfp, with my OBJ 257, to which I failed to penetrate. That's virtually a 100% pen chance. In other games I've been penetrated straight though the gun's mantlet, when facing directly at opponents, which amounts to over 300mm armor at it's angle. In other games my team was laid siege by half a dozen invisible enemies all over the place killing us in succession, meanwhile we couldn't see a single one.

 

All of these things point to stats being fudged around by the game system to kill entire teams. Why? I can only guess to enforce 50/50 win/loss rates among games. These obscenely crushing games exist to push down players that were doing too well. This has been sucking all the fun out of the game recently, and was part of the reason I quit before. Being completely slaughtered over and over and over and over and over should not happen in a game that is random and fair.

 

BTW, in the linked screenshot, there was only one kill on the enemy team, not two. The Strv killed itself. Meaning the enemy skill was able to annihilate us with one less top tier off the bat. Take from that what you will.

 

You know,  about 3 years agoago I bought up the exact same subject regarding keeping people's win rate around 50/50. I basically got run out of town. Horse poo was flung at me from all directions, quite hard too. To this day there has been nothing that had changed my mind because my win rate Is still the same as it was 3 years ago and I would swear upon some unknown persons grave that I have lost far more games than I've won in that time

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View Postnatedaishmaster, on 10 April 2019 - 10:50 PM, said:

In all of my experience in this game I can honestly say that the game is in no way shape or form rigged. It would be incredibly difficult to modulate RNG based on win rate and if they could do that, how do players like me end up with win rates far higher than 50%? Everything that I've seen has been explainable. Everybody with their tinfoil hats don't see the lucky bounces or crazy shots that they pen. Negative bias makes humans see negative events as twice as bad as the equivalant positive event. It's easy to notice the streak of bad games but it's difficult to notice the good nights. I run solo or 2 man platoons 99% of the time. I have bad games all the time where I get yoloed or my team is garbage but that is the exception, even though it can sometimes feel like the regular.

Can confirm 



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Yes the videos help, but I'm sorry this game has been broken for some time and continues to get worse, one clan I used to play with completely quit the game it got so bad, If I weren't on the last stages for the machine, I would seriously consider not playing for awhile, with all the non pins, ghost shells, and all the other garbage I see on this game it's hard to stay enthused. I'd like to see WG, step up and attempt to resolve these issues, no matter what you say about watching videos to get better, if the games broken it's broken, fix it we've put alot of time and effort in this game to be ignored like many have and just gave up and stopped playing the game, and I have to say I do see the bias in games alot, very frustrating to go 10 or more games without a win. I could go on, but I won't, just like to see it fixed.

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You can always tell when game is rigged for a loss the moment your shot bounces a light tank or some other paper thin armour tank.

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I feel the discust that this game is causing . Example i run a maus and get a clear shot  for a 100 % yet nothing . Or even better  clear clear shot  and it  hits  the bank or structures around the enemy i have in my sights but yet they hit me like as if i was in the wide open. Pretty sad this game is turning out to be garbage .How about getting shot and never being detected ? I have complained to the design of this game about clear cheating or hacking going on with this game and they do nothing . As like I am a liar . Look it up, there are hacks and cheats for this game . Oh I cant leave out point blank range in the side or the rear of the enemy  and definition or  no penetration .

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This game is bull [edited].

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Sometimes you just have those riding the short bus days.. 

Danomite07 #51 Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:35 PM

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Even if the teams were equally matched there really are no 50/50 odds. Flipping a coin odds are really 49/51  https://econ.ucsb.edu/~doug/240a/Coin%20Flip.htm  Learning through hours of play on different maps, game modes and as different tanks even the best players have less than 70% Victories/Battles.  There are so many variables including how well your team mates play that some battles are simply losing battles.  My metric is merely being in the top 5 of my team win or lose, that way I know I at least did better than 75% of the players out there.

 

As far as getting better, know your tank's strengths and weaknesses, use terrain and obstacles to your tank's advantage or at least reduce your disadvantage.  Don't be predictable or you will be killed.  Don't lemming train and expect your armor and health to last in a head to head, battles are a team effort and flanking to exploit the enemies weaknesses is critical.   


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Been playing 5 years, and forum comments have been and are all the same... salty, bad attitudes from habitual players.  Play another game, read a book, do something else then come back to the game.

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View PostMEGAblaster96, on 09 April 2019 - 06:17 AM, said:

Playing though an endless series of losses today, I've had it. The last five in a row were absolutely ridiculous crushing defeats where my team could barely score 1-2 kills (attached image is and example of one). After reading jspringer1126's post, I realize that I'm not alone. Something is completely f***** with the MM system & RNG in this game. Most likely it's rigged.

 

I have a winrate about 50% and k/d ratio above 1. I don't think its a mere coincidence at all when I get rows of these games where I can hardly damage, let alone kill anything. The most plain to see example of this was me shooting up into an unangled E100's lfp, with my OBJ 257, to which I failed to penetrate. That's virtually a 100% pen chance. In other games I've been penetrated straight though the gun's mantlet, when facing directly at opponents, which amounts to over 300mm armor at it's angle. In other games my team was laid siege by half a dozen invisible enemies all over the place killing us in succession, meanwhile we couldn't see a single one.

 

All of these things point to stats being fudged around by the game system to kill entire teams. Why? I can only guess to enforce 50/50 win/loss rates among games. These obscenely crushing games exist to push down players that were doing too well. This has been sucking all the fun out of the game recently, and was part of the reason I quit before. Being completely slaughtered over and over and over and over and over should not happen in a game that is random and fair.

 

BTW, in the linked screenshot, there was only one kill on the enemy team, not two. The Strv killed itself. Meaning the enemy skill was able to annihilate us with one less top tier off the bat. Take from that what you will.

 

That's true!  there are some tanks who just always lose no metter what, there are hidden metrics they choose the matchmakign based on statistics and other things that they ocult. I have those lsoe streaks and the better i play in a specific tank the worse team a get, its nto one game or two, not one day or two not one year or two, not one or two tank, and its not 5 lose streaks but 20, its not possible for a player to have such influence in the game. i have soem tnak were im realy good and others were im not, and the better i play progressivly the worse team i get and more the other team have mroe hight tiers and squads than mine
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TiagoBarriga #54 Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:49 PM

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View PostDanomite07, on 22 October 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

Been playing 5 years, and forum comments have been and are all the same... salty, bad attitudes from habitual players.  Play another game, read a book, do something else then come back to the game.

 

for 5 years the comments are all the same and you still think its peoples fault? if everyone say the same you should look carefull what they say, its good when we see our own mistakes first, but it should never blind the problens the game have otherwise they cant ever be corrected

Edited by TiagoBarriga, 22 October 2019 - 01:49 PM.

Often times, people simply deny the existence of what they do not understand, and anyone who tells them otherwise is a liar. What they don't know stays unexplained and they are happy with that
The only people who are mad at you for speaking the truth are those who are living a lie…
Keep speaking the truth

TiagoBarriga #55 Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:55 PM

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View PostDanomite07, on 22 October 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

Even if the teams were equally matched there really are no 50/50 odds. Flipping a coin odds are really 49/51  https://econ.ucsb.edu/~doug/240a/Coin%20Flip.htm  Learning through hours of play on different maps, game modes and as different tanks even the best players have less than 70% Victories/Battles.  There are so many variables including how well your team mates play that some battles are simply losing battles.  My metric is merely being in the top 5 of my team win or lose, that way I know I at least did better than 75% of the players out there.

 

As far as getting better, know your tank's strengths and weaknesses, use terrain and obstacles to your tank's advantage or at least reduce your disadvantage.  Don't be predictable or you will be killed.  Don't lemming train and expect your armor and health to last in a head to head, battles are a team effort and flanking to exploit the enemies weaknesses is critical.   

 

Wrong go learn math again, also the problem is the they are being not equally matched, random = equal, the problem is they are not random. they choose players based on variables, the teams with more squads also have more amount of higher tiers tanks, sometimes thei have double the amount this is another problem
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We call them Rick-Rolls. Most games are 15 to (1-5). Wins and losses. Not fun either way. We've had a couple of games where one team had zero 9s while the other was fifteen 10s.

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Ok then tell you guys what look at my time played I've been around the block I personally hated the addition of t10 lights it totally screwed with the meta and newer more powerful lights only make it worse ( see vanguard and hmh 58) Arty simply obliterates anyone dim witted enough to sit still and actually play the game resulting in the game being carried even more by the good light driver on the enemy team as he relentlessly spots your team and creates havoc on your back line meanwhile the top tier heavies and meds are farther back the the tank destroyers no one knows how to shoot a weak point or even where they all are resulting in armored vehicles being turned into gold magnets and ruining the experience even further for people who wish to drive them as they are normally targeted by artillery all of this happens within 5 min





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