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MEGAblaster96 #1 Posted 16 April 2019 - 04:06 AM

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The Leopard 1 has always confused me a bit. In game and IRL it has almost no armor. How was this this ever meant to fight in a tank battle? Wikipedia mentions HEAT shells being a reason for giving up on thick RHA as it HEAT would pen it. So that was it then? Just give it up, pray they don't hit you, and just die if someone did?

Panthergraf #2 Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:46 AM

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The race between armor and firepower was lost for armor after WWII, so the germans relied on exceptional mobility, command & control and durability.


SPUK4U #3 Posted 16 April 2019 - 11:45 AM

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View PostPanthergraf, on 16 April 2019 - 08:46 AM, said:

The race between armor and firepower was lost for armor after WWII, so the germans relied on exceptional mobility, command & control and durability.

Heavy tanks went obsolete in 60s and we are seeing same trend in this game. Every one are using premium ammo and that makes armor more or less useless. 


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RangerCharlie75 #4 Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:36 PM

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They were meant to see long range, shoot and scoot. Keep falling back. 

AMX-30 was the same way

 

Special Armor came out and the heavy tank came back (Leo 2)


 


MEGAblaster96 #5 Posted 17 April 2019 - 06:04 AM

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View PostPanthergraf, on 16 April 2019 - 02:46 AM, said:

The race between armor and firepower was lost for armor after WWII, so the germans relied on exceptional mobility, command & control and durability.

 

Yeah, I can understand that but the T-55 and the Pattons all had heavily armored turrets and decent hull armor that still protected them from kinetic rounds from smaller guns and explosives, and weren't slow tanks. The leopard could get knocked out by a T-34.



Kebabsaurus Rex #6 Posted 24 April 2019 - 01:30 PM

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View PostMEGAblaster96, on 17 April 2019 - 06:04 AM, said:

 

Yeah, I can understand that but the T-55 and the Pattons all had heavily armored turrets and decent hull armor that still protected them from kinetic rounds from smaller guns and explosives, and weren't slow tanks. The leopard could get knocked out by a T-34.

 

Assuming the T-34 could hit it. 

 

The range of the Leopard gun is probably in excess of 2km. I doubt a T-34 could hit anything at all at that range.



Koncorde #7 Posted 28 April 2019 - 12:50 PM

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Leopard did not predict an extensive tank war fought nose to nose in city streets. It expected to move to defensible positions and one shot destroy anything in front of it long before it had chance to get close. The reduced steel components also reduced costs and complexity, both in manufacture and transport, and made it an incredibly versatile chassis. They expected mobility and tank division coordination to be key as a combined European theatre, in a form of mixed arms warfare with helicopters, jets and intermediate range missile type weapons. They also foresaw a more peacekeeping role for the tanks over direct fire combat.

In contrast the British and Americans retained their post war offensive / defensive attitude that each tank be a self contained unit, able to move forwards in war against defensive positions as vanguards in situations where there may not be air support. Their tank design reflected a need to be more proactive when on the offense, and more resolute when serving as field artillery.





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