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Radio FIyer #1 Posted 20 April 2019 - 05:31 AM

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Simple question, I swear I've seen people talking about this a while back, but I can't remember where the discussion was. All the PC gurus talk about how the T110E5 is no longer competitive. Other tanks do what it does better, and it has nothing novel, like armor or alpha, to encourage it's use, so it's kind of disappeared on computer. I still see it a lot on Xbox, though. I was wondering what the general view was on it's viability on console. I've had my E5 for a long time, but never played it as much as I planned; I'm always lured away by my German tanks. I remember enjoying my grind through the M103 to get it, though I remember thinking the M103 was a little on the weak side.

 

I've been trying to switch over to my American heavy tanks more. As much as I love my superheavies, games seem to be moving faster nowadays and they've become more situational. The E5 and Kranvagn are really all I have for fast heavies (I like my Chieftan, but it can't even get out of its own fart cloud), and I really don't feel like starting a new nation. The last couple days I've played these tanks, I feel like I've been smashing my head against a rock wall. They don't seem to be where they were when I last played them, and I've played them after the E5's cupola nerf and even then I still thought they were good. It's been frustrating. I've spent probably 80% of my time playing German tanks. I have the whole tree, and I'm burnt out. I keep thinking I want main American, but I'm getting torn apart! Am I just rusty or is everything else just better?


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TocFanKe4 #2 Posted 20 April 2019 - 06:29 AM

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The E5 is still heavily played, it's just not super OP like it was before the nerf.  I think the new American heavy hotness is the E4 from what I've heard, since it's got the alpha. People run it like a somewhat lower HP heavy. Haven't played either so I'm just going off what I see in game and hear.

 

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Teffisk #3 Posted 20 April 2019 - 06:34 AM

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The T110E5 is straight up worse than the Super Conq, although can still kick some butt. The M103 is just bad. The turret weakspots mean you have to play the E5 pretty aggressive, move, wiggle, push, and never sit hulldown thinking you're safe. I still like my T110E5, but it's not the best.

If you want a main American, you should try the Patton. It does most of what the E5 can do but better, and is really the best of the best medium in the game.

 

Oh, and I think a lot of people play the E5 because it's a lot of people's first or at least early tier 10. 



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View PostTeffisk, on 20 April 2019 - 01:34 AM, said:

The T110E5 is straight up worse than the Super Conq, although can still kick some butt. The M103 is just bad. The turret weakspots mean you have to play the E5 pretty aggressive, move, wiggle, push, and never sit hulldown thinking you're safe. I still like my T110E5, but it's not the best.

If you want a main American, you should try the Patton. It does most of what the E5 can do but better, and is really the best of the best medium in the game.

 

Oh, and I think a lot of people play the E5 because it's a lot of people's first or at least early tier 10. 

 

I do like my Patton, though I feel like it's cursed. I don't understand. I marked my M46, that little bugger sings for me, and the M48 should be better in most regards. I have my good games in it, but I just don't seem to get the same results in it as I do my E50M and Leopard.

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View PostTeffisk, on 20 April 2019 - 06:34 AM, said:

The T110E5 is straight up worse than the Super Conq, although can still kick some butt. The M103 is just bad. The turret weakspots mean you have to play the E5 pretty aggressive, move, wiggle, push, and never sit hulldown thinking you're safe. I still like my T110E5, but it's not the best.

If you want a main American, you should try the Patton. It does most of what the E5 can do but better, and is really the best of the best medium in the game.

 

Oh, and I think a lot of people play the E5 because it's a lot of people's first or at least early tier 10. 

 

I still consider the E5 better, it's more Mobile. The hull Armour is better, even the lfp is pretty bouncy so it's not relegated to hull down play only. The cupola while being a weakspot is still difficult to pen unless they hit dead on.

 

Honestly, the S. Conq is over rated. I'd rather play the 215b or chieftain. 


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I think that the E5 is the most common first tier X cause the first tank that you play in this game is the T22 Proto, it goes to E5 line

JAG THE GEMINI #7 Posted 20 April 2019 - 08:05 AM

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I might be in the minority but I prefer the M103 to the E5 for various reasons

 

 

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KNALLLER #8 Posted 20 April 2019 - 08:19 AM

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German Tree need a Buff.

Thanks to WarGaming anti-EU attitude and disgusting deleting of non-English speaking communities ,,I,,

 

 

 


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The E5 is fine. PC players are even more reactionary than we are so the moment something has even .1 difference in stats they poo themselves in fear.

 

Look at half of QBs reviews on premiums. He is constantly fearful of power creep that's not always even present.


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View PostTempest fox3, on 20 April 2019 - 07:04 AM, said:

 

I still consider the E5 better, it's more Mobile. The hull Armour is better, even the lfp is pretty bouncy so it's not relegated to hull down play only. The cupola while being a weakspot is still difficult to pen unless they hit dead on.

 

Honestly, the S. Conq is over rated. I'd rather play the 215b or chieftain. 

 

Same. The E5 can flex far better than the Super Conq and even after the nerf people have to aim very carefully at it frontally. The S. Conq isn't an all rounder due to the slowness whereas the E5 is. It's closest competition in the role imo is probably the IS-7 after its gun got buffed but that can't engage at range as reliably as the E5. 

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View PostJAG THE GEMINI, on 20 April 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

I might be in the minority but I prefer the M103 to the E5 for various reasons

 

You definitely aren't. I love the M103.

The gun is very similar, a tier lower.

I also find the hull of the M103 to just be flat out better. Specifically the UFP and LFP.

 

The trip to the E5 was easy, but I was bit let down when i got there. The gun needs a little something. Maybe 100 more alpha?


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I don't know about 100 more, but 40 more would be fair.

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Regardless it needs something. It's been probably a year since I played it, so perhaps things have changed.

To me I'd rather be in the M48 Patton, as they have similar play styles.

If i wanted to play a tier 10 heavy, I'd probably just play the IS-7.

 


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View PostBigHundy, on 20 April 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

 

You definitely aren't. I love the M103.

The gun is very similar, a tier lower.

I also find the hull of the M103 to just be flat out better. Specifically the UFP and LFP.

 

The trip to the E5 was easy, but I was bit let down when i got there. The gun needs a little something. Maybe 100 more alpha?

I agree

A bit more alpha or better RoF would make me play the E5 again


 

 

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E5 is still one of the best tanks ingame imo. Good gun, usefull armor, good view range and ok mobility. Not a top tier brawler but a very variable allrounder.

 

View PostKNALLLER, on 20 April 2019 - 09:19 AM, said:

German Tree need a Buff.

 

How? They already have some of the best tanks ingame. Some maybe need some kind of buff, but german tanks in general are very good. (except the broken op waffel e-100) 

     

                  

 

 
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E5 is the only tier X heavy I do well in. If you think the E5 needs a buff then don’t ever try to play the 113. That needs significant love.

Lights tanks need love

​give them back thier view range and buff traverse speeds


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View PostKaboost, on 20 April 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

E5 is the only tier X heavy I do well in. If you think the E5 needs a buff then don’t ever try to play the 113. That needs significant love.

 

113 is UP, no doubt about it.

The E5 to me just isn't a great tier 10 heavy.

Sort of middle of the road.

Mediums do medium things better.

Heavies do heavy things better.

It's sort of stuck in the middle.

 

If I want to do heavy things, I'd rather be in an E-100/Maus/IS-7/

If I want to do medium things, well...you get the idea.

 

So it's not that it's bad, far from it.

It's just sort of meh to me.

 

As usual, good players can make it shine, but you can say that about every tank.

 


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E5 is a good tank. Pre-Super Conq it was clearly superior to the British in the roles that it could play in this game. The Chieftain suffering in any brawl situation, and the FV215b plagued by its rear mounted turret config which struggles in certain situations.

The E5 offered better mobility, significantly superior frontal armour, and even bouncy sides for sidescraping. Even the cupola isn't that bad etc.

Where it struggles, for me anyway, is when it meets a hull down Russian of any variety (or just a Russian with like a foot of snow in front of them will do. Being neither quick enough, nor pinpoint enough with the accuracy and aim time to pick out weakspots without offering up that big far cupola and lower plate weakspots for splashing.

So it kinda sits somewhere in the middle of the pack, able to dominate and do well in 200m gun battles, but struggles in the wrong kind of facehugging war.

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View PostBigHundy, on 20 April 2019 - 10:04 AM, said:

 

113 is UP, no doubt about it.

The E5 to me just isn't a great tier 10 heavy.

Sort of middle of the road.

Mediums do medium things better.

Heavies do heavy things better.

It's sort of stuck in the middle.

 

If I want to do heavy things, I'd rather be in an E-100/Maus/IS-7/

If I want to do medium things, well...you get the idea.

 

So it's not that it's bad, far from it.

It's just sort of meh to me.

 

As usual, good players can make it shine, but you can say that about every tank.

 

 

That's what I want to guard myself against. I've heard, often, that the greatness of American tanks lies in their middle-of-the-road qualities. Not great in anything; not bad at anything. So I'm trying to balance that perspective with the lack of highlights.

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View PostJAG THE GEMINI, on 20 April 2019 - 08:05 PM, said:

I might be in the minority but I prefer the M103 to the E5 for various reasons

 

View PostBigHundy, on 20 April 2019 - 11:03 PM, said:

 

You definitely aren't. I love the M103.

The gun is very similar, a tier lower.

I also find the hull of the M103 to just be flat out better. Specifically the UFP and LFP.

 

The trip to the E5 was easy, but I was bit let down when i got there. The gun needs a little something. Maybe 100 more alpha?

 

This ^^^ is my thoughts as well.... almost 2 marked the M103 can’t seem to get the E5 to work as well.

Really not sure why either.....






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