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DemiGodesss #21 Posted 21 April 2019 - 05:12 AM

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Arty is fine, leave it be. It's a shame what happens on PC.

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View PostDemiGodesss, on 21 April 2019 - 05:12 AM, said:

Arty is fine, leave it be. It's a shame what happens on PC.

 

The leaders of Wargaming have admitted that artillery is a problem and that it does not work as intended, but hey, you should go and tell them that they are wrong:facepalm:

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Whilst the game doesn't claim to be a tank sim, it is fairly reflective until .... arty gets to shotgun.

Imagine real life: A huge artillery piece sees an incoming tank and manages to bring down its gun and hit a tank doing 50kph?

Remove shotgunning and remove ability to see trees being knocked down etc when the tank isn't lit up.


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View PostKY PRO 2008, on 20 April 2019 - 05:58 PM, said:

Stop referring to the pc.   the xbox is it own no comparison.   if yall like watching the updates for pc go play there n get off xbox

 

We should be keeping an eye on PC, If for nothing else to see what vehicles we may get in the future. Then you can sort of prepare early (Except the Russian Mediums in 4.7). I've already got the XP i need on the Leo and ELC AMX for when Wheeled Vehicles and Swedish Mediums come in the far distant future. You don't have to wait for the month advanced warning then rush the XP. You can do it early.

 

As for the comparisons, people will always compare vehicles from PC to Xbox/PS4 and that won't ever change but WG did post with Italians that they compared PC's Standard B (so PC data), compared it to the Average Damage of our server, then changed the stats. Even though Console is different, we still use data from PC. People do moan about those changes but for 99% of it, i accept those changes and won't change my enjoyment of the game.

 

In my opinion, i love the Standard B and while reload seems long, it hasn't really deflected my enjoyment of them (I didn't like Pantera though). I think the reloads could be cut by a second on each shell (Pantera too then Ariete in reloads would be worse statistically), However i won't moan or complain if the Italians never got a Buff as i enjoy them.

 

 

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View Postooo NO ONE ooo, on 21 April 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:

Whilst the game doesn't claim to be a tank sim, it is fairly reflective until .... arty gets to shotgun.

Imagine real life: A huge artillery piece sees an incoming tank and manages to bring down its gun and hit a tank doing 50kph?

Remove shotgunning and remove ability to see trees being knocked down etc when the tank isn't lit up.

 

It's an Arcade Simulator, If we remove Shotgunning, more will drown on purpose as they can't fight back.

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 21 April 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:

 

It's an Arcade Simulator, If we remove Shotgunning, more will drown on purpose as they can't fight back.

 

That is right, we almost forgot that many artilleryplayers only think it is fun when THEY get to shoot at others that cant shoot or fight back.

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 21 April 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:

 

It's an Arcade Simulator, If we remove Shotgunning, more will drown on purpose as they can't fight back.

 

And the problem with that is? :teethhappy:

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People who want arty removed/nerfed just want the game to be made easier for them, full stop. At least be honest. It wouldn’t make the game better it would make it better FOR YOU because having to deal with the additional threat arty poses is too much for you to handle. You want it simpler, easier and less complex. Saying anything else (it requires no skill, I can’t shoot back blah blah blah) is just hogwash to protect your ego. You want arty nerfed because YOU CANT HACK IT. 

 

 



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View Postooo NO ONE ooo, on 21 April 2019 - 03:00 AM, said:

Whilst the game doesn't claim to be a tank sim, it is fairly reflective until .... arty gets to shotgun.

Imagine real life: A huge artillery piece sees an incoming tank and manages to bring down its gun and hit a tank doing 50kph?

Remove shotgunning and remove ability to see trees being knocked down etc when the tank isn't lit up.

 

Arty shotgunning makes a whole lot more sense than them hitting a moving target indirectly. They have sights for direct firing and while they’re not as precise as a battle tanks at the close ranges of the game they’re more than good enough. 

 

Artillery from this era firing indirectly and accurately at a moving vehicle it can’t see borders on witchcraft. Especially as the ranges of this game are inside the minimum ranges of most of the artillery guns in the game. 


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View PostKY PRO 2008, on 20 April 2019 - 10:58 AM, said:

Stop referring to the pc.   the xbox is it own no comparison.   if yall like watching the updates for pc go play there n get off xbox

 

Don't worry princess no one is taking your crutches away.

View PostGuffenstein, on 21 April 2019 - 06:57 AM, said:

People who want arty removed/nerfed just want the game to be made easier for them, full stop. At least be honest. It wouldn’t make the game better it would make it better FOR YOU because having to deal with the additional threat arty poses is too much for you to handle. You want it simpler, easier and less complex. Saying anything else (it requires no skill, I can’t shoot back blah blah blah) is just hogwash to protect your ego. You want arty nerfed because YOU CANT HACK IT. 

 

 

 

Isn't the reason most Arty players play Arty because it's easier? So it's ok for Arty players to play an easy game but not everyone else? Yep sounds like what an Arty player would say.


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While I don't like arty shooting at me (really, who does? lol), I do understand their place in the game and try to be respectful of their capabilities.

Do I curse arty, especially when they're focusing on me? Of course, as I'm sure most do. Would I have them removed? No, but I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of stun mechanics implemented, and damage potential removed, as on PC.

I'm thinking their "targeting view" is, in some way, supposed to resemble that of a spotting aircraft, although the implementation is not anywhere near true to life recognizance practices.


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View PostGuffenstein, on 21 April 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

People who want arty removed/nerfed just want the game to be made easier for them, full stop. At least be honest. It wouldn’t make the game better it would make it better FOR YOU because having to deal with the additional threat arty poses is too much for you to handle. You want it simpler, easier and less complex. Saying anything else (it requires no skill, I can’t shoot back blah blah blah) is just hogwash to protect your ego. You want arty nerfed because YOU CANT HACK IT. 

 

 

 

Not really. It's not a skill, full stop. See other people can do that too and it don't matter cause you can think all the negative non-sense towards us that want it removed or repurposed but it's not merely a skill issue.

 

If you want some rationale that isn't mere [edited]: it's an threat of you cannot response but always have to keep in mind (worse than a hidden TD), the possibility of getting 1-shot/full RNG rolls, and the inability to know if you are targeted. With all other tanks the choice to risk those matters is in my hand. Arty removes all of that. I don't fully think they ought to be removed, but someone needs some creativity at WGC to make them a better support unit than the sky cancer they are now.

 

As a recovering arty player, I can't stand playing the class too. Too much RNG and everything was so slow. It does take a different macro approach to the game, but you don't really feel like you can directly impact your team's outcome because how much you rely on RNG. Even though it is awesome to 1-shot a guy, it should be removed. Then, the macro balance of arty is wildly in favor of the M55 and the Bat, nothing really compares for a few simple reasons. 



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View PostPit Friend, on 21 April 2019 - 02:41 PM, said:

 

Arty shotgunning makes a whole lot more sense than them hitting a moving target indirectly. They have sights for direct firing and while they’re not as precise as a battle tanks at the close ranges of the game they’re more than good enough. 

 

Artillery from this era firing indirectly and accurately at a moving vehicle it can’t see borders on witchcraft. Especially as the ranges of this game are inside the minimum ranges of most of the artillery guns in the game. 

 

Well, light tanks swarming around the field like locusts with autoloaders  and insane penetration is also witchcraft, just as much as some consider arty to be.

 

It baffles me just how one sided people are judging this. 



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View PostVerJager, on 20 April 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

If console implements this within the next 6 months, I will spend $1,000USD that day, with pics to prove it.  Also, I will spend an additional $1,000 if any (2) of the following is done.  Reduce platoon size to 3, limit arty to 1 per team, reduce tier X TD alpha damage to 750 across the board, nerf HESH pen on Deathstar/S***Barn.

 

Im poor but i will put a twenty in the pot for those changes

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View PostDemiGodesss, on 21 April 2019 - 11:51 AM, said:

 

Well, light tanks swarming around the field like locusts with autoloaders  and insane penetration is also witchcraft, just as much as some consider arty to be.

 

It baffles me just how one sided people are judging this. 

 

The fact that pretty much any tank in this game can consistently score hits at range while moving requires suspension of disbelief. 

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View PostMrTrollPacMan, on 21 April 2019 - 02:29 AM, said:

I play arty.

It needs to be removed or nerfed heavily

 

All 919 battles, yes you're a true artillery veteran.
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View PostGeordie P, on 21 April 2019 - 01:07 PM, said:

 

All 919 battles, yes you're a true artillery veteran.

I’ve ground out the entire US line, up to 7 on the French, soon to have the 304 on the Brits, and have the S-51 unlocked as well.

 

I’m not claiming I’m the arty master here, but I play it enough to know it’s broken and needs removal 



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View PostGeordie P, on 21 April 2019 - 09:07 PM, said:

 

All 919 battles, yes you're a true artillery veteran.

 

You got far more artillerygames, but have not yet discovered how broken it is, or is it that you simply refuse to understand?





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