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MaxChaos24 #1 Posted 26 April 2019 - 01:30 PM

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Follow up to the Inside Look: Auto-Reloaders and Balance article:

 

So the Italian tanks have been out for over a month now. We have looked at the tanks and compared their damage output and win / loss distributions across skill levels, tiers, and classes.
Here are our current findings:

Tier / Vehicle Findings Graphs
Tier 8 
P.44 Pantera
We can see that this vehicle is definitely doing much more damage that all other tier 8 medium vehicles.
 
We measure that against its effectiveness in battle. It is right in line with the win / loss distribution across the majority of skill sets.
This vehicle is performing as expected.
IT_Tier8_New.PNG
Tier 9
Prototipo Standard B
This vehicle, like its tier 8 relative, is pumping out the damage.
 
Its effectiveness is slightly higher than average across all skill sets. It is worth watching more, but it is within an acceptable range.
IT_Tier9_New.PNG
Tier 10
Progetto M40 Mod. 65
Same story with damage here. Much higher than all comparable vehicles.
 
Unlike tier 9 and 10 however, we can see that this vehicle has an effective advantage over all other vehicles at this tier. While the range is ~ 1% to 3% better, its worth continuing to monitor and see if this settles down as more people learn how to fight with / against the tank or if further action needs to be taken here.
IT_Tier10_New.PNG

Note:

  • Data Based on March 4th – April 15th
  • Tech Tree vehicles only


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 26 April 2019 - 07:30 AM, said:

Follow up to the Inside Look: Auto-Reloaders and Balance article:

 

So the Italian tanks have been out for over a month now. We have looked at the tanks and compared their damage output and win / loss distributions across skill levels, tiers, and classes.
Here are our current findings:

Tier / Vehicle Findings Graphs
Tier 8 
P.44 Pantera
We can see that this vehicle is definitely doing much more damage that all other tier 8 medium vehicles.
 
We measure that against its effectiveness in battle. It is right in line with the win / loss distribution across the majority of skill sets.
This vehicle is performing as expected.
IT_Tier8_New.PNG
Tier 9
Prototipo Standard B
This vehicle, like its tier 8 relative, is pumping out the damage.
 
Its effectiveness is slightly higher than average across all skill sets. It is worth watching more, but it is within an acceptable range.
IT_Tier9_New.PNG
Tier 10
Progetto M40 Mod. 65
Same story with damage here. Much higher than all comparable vehicles.
 
Unlike tier 9 and 10 however, we can see that this vehicle has an effective advantage over all other vehicles at this tier. While the range is ~ 1% to 3% better, its worth continuing to monitor and see if this settles down as more people learn how to fight with / against the tank or if further action needs to be taken here.
IT_Tier10_New.PNG

Note:

  • Data Based on March 4th – April 15th
  • Tech Tree vehicles only

 

Hey max I'd like to see you play 5 games in the tier 10 and tell me it's fine as is LOL :teethhappy:

MaxChaos24 #3 Posted 26 April 2019 - 05:04 PM

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View PostKoneko Da Best, on 26 April 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

Hey max I'd like to see you play 5 games in the tier 10 and tell me it's fine as is LOL :teethhappy:

 

I have , played just fine. :great:

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View PostKoneko Da Best, on 26 April 2019 - 09:01 AM, said:

 

Hey max I'd like to see you play 5 games in the tier 10 and tell me it's fine as is LOL :teethhappy:

 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 26 April 2019 - 08:30 AM, said:

Follow up to the Inside Look: Auto-Reloaders and Balance article:

 

So the Italian tanks have been out for over a month now. We have looked at the tanks and compared their damage output and win / loss distributions across skill levels, tiers, and classes.
Here are our current findings:

Tier / Vehicle Findings Graphs
Tier 8 
P.44 Pantera
We can see that this vehicle is definitely doing much more damage that all other tier 8 medium vehicles.
 
We measure that against its effectiveness in battle. It is right in line with the win / loss distribution across the majority of skill sets.
This vehicle is performing as expected.
IT_Tier8_New.PNG
Tier 9
Prototipo Standard B
This vehicle, like its tier 8 relative, is pumping out the damage.
 
Its effectiveness is slightly higher than average across all skill sets. It is worth watching more, but it is within an acceptable range.
IT_Tier9_New.PNG
Tier 10
Progetto M40 Mod. 65
Same story with damage here. Much higher than all comparable vehicles.
 
Unlike tier 9 and 10 however, we can see that this vehicle has an effective advantage over all other vehicles at this tier. While the range is ~ 1% to 3% better, its worth continuing to monitor and see if this settles down as more people learn how to fight with / against the tank or if further action needs to be taken here.
IT_Tier10_New.PNG

Note:

  • Data Based on March 4th – April 15th
  • Tech Tree vehicles only

Nice to see the data facts are a good thing & glad to see WG sharing those with the players...Thanks!

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All i'll say is please don't nerf the Progetto 65. I don't mind the stats as they are :)

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So they are all slightly over-performing, huh? :unsure: FusionStar is going to have a stroke. But the DPM!! :trollface:

Koneko Da Best #8 Posted 26 April 2019 - 05:33 PM

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So we've seen multiple charts about the italians since they were introduced what about other recently added tanks in dire need of buffs like the polish, new french heavies, K-91, and OBJ 268 V4 I think it's been long enough for you guys to see the performance of these tanks and the fact they are in need of buffs. You almost never see K-91's or 268 V4's because no one wants to play them...

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I do believe i mentioned this tank in the right hands was going to be Deadly :confused:

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 26 April 2019 - 05:04 PM, said:

 

I have , played just fine. :great:

 

Could we have a concealment buff to the K-91? I realise that it's the same ported from PC but Object 430 U has better concealment and K-91 should be a Stealthy TD like the Object 416 but the 416 i feel is better Tier for Tier due to the camo it has.

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View PostKoneko Da Best, on 26 April 2019 - 12:33 PM, said:

So we've seen multiple charts about the italians since they were introduced what about other recently added tanks in dire need of buffs like the polish, new french heavies, K-91, and OBJ 268 V4 I think it's been long enough for you guys to see the performance of these tanks and the fact they are in need of buffs. You almost never see K-91's or 268 V4's because no one wants to play them...

 

Because only the best players play under-powered tanks like those.  Stats will remain skewed sadly.

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Grille 15 view range a joke. 



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 26 April 2019 - 05:04 PM, said:

 

I have , played just fine. :great:

 

Stream it bro, would love to see you average your ‘average’ damage for your WR.

 


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View PostUnholy Lucipurr, on 26 April 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

 

Because only the best players play under-powered tanks like those.  Stats will remain skewed sadly.

 

stats are fairly low on all of them except the 60TP which is performing almost around average at best

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View PostSteampunkPagan, on 26 April 2019 - 09:08 AM, said:

Nice to see the data facts are a good thing & glad to see WG sharing those with the players...Thanks!

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I agree it is really super nice.

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 26 April 2019 - 01:30 PM, said:

Follow up to the Inside Look: Auto-Reloaders and Balance article:

 

So the Italian tanks have been out for over a month now. We have looked at the tanks and compared their damage output and win / loss distributions across skill levels, tiers, and classes.
Here are our current findings:

Tier / Vehicle Findings Graphs
Tier 8 
P.44 Pantera
We can see that this vehicle is definitely doing much more damage that all other tier 8 medium vehicles.
 
We measure that against its effectiveness in battle. It is right in line with the win / loss distribution across the majority of skill sets.
This vehicle is performing as expected.
IT_Tier8_New.PNG
Tier 9
Prototipo Standard B
This vehicle, like its tier 8 relative, is pumping out the damage.
 
Its effectiveness is slightly higher than average across all skill sets. It is worth watching more, but it is within an acceptable range.
IT_Tier9_New.PNG
Tier 10
Progetto M40 Mod. 65
Same story with damage here. Much higher than all comparable vehicles.
 
Unlike tier 9 and 10 however, we can see that this vehicle has an effective advantage over all other vehicles at this tier. While the range is ~ 1% to 3% better, its worth continuing to monitor and see if this settles down as more people learn how to fight with / against the tank or if further action needs to be taken here.
IT_Tier10_New.PNG

Note:

  • Data Based on March 4th – April 15th
  • Tech Tree vehicles only

 

Well looks like these garbage tanks will be bombarded by even more nerfs.

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So when there was an Axis how about some italian Guns on jap and german Wheels? 

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Looks like unicum population is underperforming in tier 8, 9 and 10.



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-Just to confirm, these graphs compare performance in the Italian tanks in the last month to same tier tanks over the last month correct?
It’s not Italian tanks in the last month vs same tier tanks overall?

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