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Sbornaja #21 Posted 29 April 2019 - 11:39 PM

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The biggest motivation for me to play used to be to earn tanks I would like to play.. it’s a shame that the last several lines released have had no tanks that I think are competitive.

 

When I saw the releases for the Polish and Italian lines on PC I was excited to use them once we finally received them and have yet to play a single battle in either nation. They are literally nerfing every single PC premium and tech tree additions to more uncompetitive states and simultaneously releasing several OP merc tanks and leaving the already incredibly powerful tanks that have been the same meta for years now untouched.

 

I’d like them to actually give new tanks a damn chance and adjust later if need be. As it stands we get nerfed versions that aren’t great and wait for buffs that never come.



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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 29 April 2019 - 04:16 PM, said:

Didn't the 268 see the NERF bat a while ago?   Reverse speed and heat Penn? 

 

The 183 needed that buff.:amazed:

 

Our 268 still has the 850 alpha coupled with greater dpm (3090) and better gun handling stats than that on PC.

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View PostBrogueOne, on 29 April 2019 - 04:09 PM, said:

We’re not PC. Tanks that originate on PC aren’t “nerfed”, they’re balanced to fit into the Console ecosystem. In case you’re not aware, the Console ecosystem is vastly different from the PC player base and meta. If those tanks end up underperforming they will get buffs.... simple.

 

Every what 18 months or so?  Its already quite clear that there are massive flaws with the way balance is evaluated and performed here on console.  The main problem people have with nerfing all new vehicles is that our ecosystem is very unbalanced.

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View PostUnholy Lucipurr, on 30 April 2019 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

Every what 18 months or so?  Its already quite clear that there are massive flaws with the way balance is evaluated and performed here on console.  The main problem people have with nerfing all new vehicles is that our ecosystem is very unbalanced.

I’m not sure if you understand the concept of an ecosystem.... or balance for that matter.  Seems to me like balance is all well and good unless they decide to balance a popular tank. 



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View PostBrogueOne, on 30 April 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

I’m not sure if you understand the concept of an ecosystem.... or balance for that matter.  Seems to me like balance is all well and good unless they decide to balance a popular tank. 

 

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View PostNuke2099, on 30 April 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

 

Irony.

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View PostBrogueOne, on 29 April 2019 - 10:09 PM, said:

We’re not PC. Tanks that originate on PC aren’t “nerfed”, they’re balanced to fit into the Console ecosystem. In case you’re not aware, the Console ecosystem is vastly different from the PC player base and meta. If those tanks end up underperforming they will get buffs.... simple.

 

Exactly as Op tanks will get nerfed,  just like Tiger131, Absolution, V/IV, WT-100, 183, E4... Oh wait.

Or the masterpiece of balance, the Tvp. 

 


 

                             

 

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View PostUnholy Lucipurr, on 29 April 2019 - 02:26 PM, said:

 

It does when you consider many of the tier 10 TDs on console are blatantly over powered.  Some such as the T110E4, Object 268, and FV215B 183 have not received any of the nerfs from PC, but instead have been buffed countless times.  Those three I listed are substantially more powerful than their current PC counter parts.  The issue with nerfing every single new vehicle ported over from PC lies in the fact that PC has been very keen on balancing all new tanks and lines (with the exception of a few outliers).  Community feedback on the PC side strongly confirms this with tanks such as the 277 and 60TP being considered mediocre and at the middle of the bunch for meta values.  Yet here on console, they get pummeled by nerfs with a more toxic and imbalance ecosystem with other tank classes remaining strongly overpowered.

The whole "ecosystem" is different as soon as 1 tank is different than it's PC counterpart. Therefore any assumptions from PC values are invalid. Console has to balance against other console tanks. 



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View PostGrooIsNoLackey, on 30 April 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

The whole "ecosystem" is different as soon as 1 tank is different than it's PC counterpart. Therefore any assumptions from PC values are invalid. Console has to balance against other console tanks. 

 

Console balancing is cut and dry: No new tanks can be better than the tank destroyers and merc tanks - the fact is they aren't balancing against current console tanks they're just making them worse. The Italian mediums are the worst medium line in the game by a lot.

 

How many Italian tanks have you guys seen lately? How many Polish tanks? Remember when tanks would drop and you'd see a rush of people grinding them for months? 



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View PostBrogueOne, on 29 April 2019 - 02:09 PM, said:

We’re not PC. Tanks that originate on PC aren’t “nerfed”, they’re balanced to fit into the Console ecosystem. In case you’re not aware, the Console ecosystem is vastly different from the PC player base and meta. If those tanks end up underperforming they will get buffs.... simple.

WZ 132 1, TVP T 50/51, Maus, STB, E50, E50m all needed a nerf? You can't nerf something simply because the great players play these well while the rest of the population hasn't even gone down these lines yet. WG should have did on tracks for these unpopular lines so these averages would be brought down. 

 

Look at the 113. I never see this underperformer ingame since the WZ 1115a was brought over. Why play the 121 when the Obj 430u dominates. Why play the Type 4 and 5 when they get ripped apart by all the premium spam. Why use AP rounds on the HESHstars? Why play the 268v4 when the E3 has 250 more alpha damage?

 

Console "Economy" is broken dude......




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"ecosystem" :facepalm: just stahp! Thinking harder about it then the people who make it.

 

Besides tech. tree is passe when you've got the hybrid Premium/Merc. tanks to buy...errrrrr "earn".


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View PostSteelTiiTan, on 30 April 2019 - 02:59 PM, said:

 

Console balancing is cut and dry: No new tanks can be better than the tank destroyers and merc tanks - the fact is they aren't balancing against current console tanks they're just making them worse. The Italian mediums are the worst medium line in the game by a lot.

 

How many Italian tanks have you guys seen lately? How many Polish tanks? Remember when tanks would drop and you'd see a rush of people grinding them for months? 

Based on your playing experience with Italian tanks ?



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View PostSteelTiiTan, on 30 April 2019 - 09:59 AM, said:

 

How many Italian tanks have you guys seen lately? How many Polish tanks? Remember when tanks would drop and you'd see a rush of people grinding them for months? 

 

A lot of that is also because so many players have tons of free XP (or deep pockets) so when a new lions drops now they tend to just go right to the tier X.


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View PostGrooIsNoLackey, on 30 April 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

Based on your playing experience with Italian tanks ?

 

The Italian line is by far the worst medium line in the game, you can't be serious saying its not. Have you even played them? 

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View PostTheOnlyTrueNoob, on 30 April 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

 

The Italian line is by far the worst medium line in the game, you can't be serious saying its not. Have you even played them? 

 

I have not played them so I do not have an opinion on them. I choose to not have an opinion rather than be swayed by the nerf from PC crowd. Your experience with them of course makes your opinion valid. 

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View PostGrooIsNoLackey, on 30 April 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

Based on your playing experience with Italian tanks ?

 

tier 10 progetto has less DPM than the tier 7 tiger 131 why would anyone want to play such a poorly balanced tank

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View PostPit Friend, on 30 April 2019 - 04:51 PM, said:

 

A lot of that is also because so many players have tons of free XP (or deep pockets) so when a new lions drops now they tend to just go right to the tier X.

 

If that were the case I would expect that since I’m playing tier 8-10 only that I would see those vehicles being used. It’s rare to see even one tier 8-10 Italian tank in a game.

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