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Cpl Derren #21 Posted 03 May 2019 - 09:57 PM

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I will always take the CAX over the 4202. its mostly personal reasons as to why I dislike the tank. Its mostly a fear that I will find a new love. but its also because I thought the 4202 should've been released differently from the CAX for example:

 

CAX: as it is with now

4202: as it is with the EXCEPTION that it more heavily armored? but has the old T10 speed.

 

I felt this would've made people choose either a better ridge-line fighter with the slow speed to deal with or choose a more mobile tank that is more flexible, and making this decision would've made people actually think on it. Maybe Im the only one who thinks this. The other reasons are that the CAX is my first (and probably last) 3M'd T10. the CAX is also the "mascot" for my channel. lastly, I payed money to have greyweasel UK draw my favorite tank so it could hang on my wall. so I'm a pretty biased person when it comes to the CAX vs 4202 discussion lol. :teethhappy:


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View PostFusionStar287, on 03 May 2019 - 09:11 PM, said:

Both tanks have weak turret rings, with the AX's turret ring being thicker, but the FV4202's "forehead" (the sloped armor above the gun) is significantly stronger. On flat ground the AX's forehead ranges from being about 250-280mm effective, which makes it strong but still very easily penned my most tier IX and X premium shells, while the FV4202's forehead is nearly impenetrable (I don't know the exact values, but my friend was unable to pen it with Object 268 HEAT shells even when on flat ground to me). 

 

4202 forehead varies from 360 effective to 400+ on flat ground. Use any of your gun depression to fight a ridge and no one is ever going to penetrate the forehead.

 

AX forehead is 220-230 effective. It can become an auto ricochet but only while using all 10 degrees of gun depression. If you're not using all 10 degrees it never exceeds 250 effective Armour. 


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View PostToxicBullbog, on 03 May 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

 

Yet my experiences speak to the contrary.

 

Your experience vs actual facts. Wonder which wins. 


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f1mitku #24 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:36 PM

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I’ve unlocked CAX and closing to unlock 4202 too (currently only play for daily doubles but could finish it in 1-2 days if it’s needed). So I’ll buy them during the next T-X discount.

And as far as I’ve seen - I think I’ll prefer CAX due to the higher pen premium ammo. Don’t like that low caliber HESH in my Centurion 7/1 and the need to play basically only with standard ammo. It happens with HESH to get 0 or very low damage on well armored reds which is silly when with standard shells it’s far better. 


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Koncorde #25 Posted 03 May 2019 - 10:42 PM

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4202 is just a very odd animal. The armour profile is a game changer for Brits with that very shallow lower plate being almost negligible, and the upper plate at any reasonable angle becoming very difficult to pen - and then the turret.

The CAX is just a polished 7/1. But even with the recent turret buffs, that turret (even though it is meant to be the same as the 4202 irl) is liable to give up on you when facing anything spamming heat. And as it's often the only thing above a ridge, it is you most glaring weakness.

The 4202 is almost certainly better, but there is something about the CAX that takes me back to it consistently.

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Why does there have to be a king? Both are good. Leave it at that.

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Been saying from the start buffing it is a bad idea and with all the FV4202's i've seen at the top of the board is a problem. Never should've been buffed IMO

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The 4202 had the well sloped UFP when it was in game initially. It bounced shots then. The turret armor was advertised as good then too. As I recall, it was 190~ on its forehead then. The only appreciable buff it has got from its first appearance here is a top speed buff, which was all it has ever needed. The RoF is the same as it was when the tank was removed. My reload is 7.1 on it and as I recall, that’s what it was when removed. It takes a good player to make this tank work. You can’t just press A and win. You have to think about shots and aim in. 

 

I personally like the tank better than the CAX but in all fairness the CAX is easier to play. Again, press A then RB-RT


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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View PostEl Materdor43, on 04 May 2019 - 10:41 AM, said:

The 4202 had the well sloped UFP when it was in game initially. It bounced shots then. The turret armor was advertised as good then too. As I recall, it was 190~ on its forehead then. The only appreciable buff it has got from its first appearance here is a top speed buff, which was all it has ever needed. The RoF is the same as it was when the tank was removed. My reload is 7.1 on it and as I recall, that’s what it was when removed. It takes a good player to make this tank work. You can’t just press A and win. You have to think about shots and aim in. 

 

I personally like the tank better than the CAX but in all fairness the CAX is easier to play. Again, press A then RB-RT

 

Didn't the rear turret armor get added with the relaunch? 200mm all around with severe sloping at the front. The only appreciable turret armor the CAX has over the 4202 is at the mantlet when the turret is facing head on (and even the upper half of the 4202's "weak" turret ring has an effective of ~244mm). PS I have an on the move RB/RT at range against a head-on E3 in a recent vid in the Brit section. The gun seems to have less trolly soft stats than the old version, but that could be the tin foil talking. The tank is strong, if it got nerfed down to the original 40kph you wouldn't hear a peep out of me and it might give the CAX a fighting chance.

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View PostKoncorde, on 03 May 2019 - 05:42 PM, said:

...but there is something about the CAX that takes me back to it consistently.

 

Stockholm syndrome? :bajan:


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View Postfozfactor, on 04 May 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

 

Didn't the rear turret armor get added with the relaunch? 200mm all around with severe sloping at the front. The only appreciable turret armor the CAX has over the 4202 is at the mantlet when the turret is facing head on (and even the upper half of the 4202's "weak" turret ring has an effective of ~244mm). PS I have an on the move RB/RT at range against a head-on E3 in a recent vid in the Brit section. The gun seems to have less trolly soft stats than the old version, but that could be the tin foil talking. The tank is strong, if it got nerfed down to the original 40kph you wouldn't hear a peep out of me and it might give the CAX a fighting chance.

I didn’t have issues with the gun handling on the OG 4202. As far as the buff to the back of the turret, maybe but I’m not aware of it. My RB-RT reference was to the CAX. With its HEAT rounds and higher pen, it’s far easier to auto lock targets than the 4202 with its 268 pen standard rounds. Many of the better armored opponents the 4202 faces requires aiming for the weakspots as opposed to the CAX and its HEAT rounds. RB-RT


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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^ I gotcha. Yeah rear up armored turret works well enough and allows a wider margin of user error especially against many lower tier guns not firing prammo and from guns not specifically aiming for the flattest facing sections: 200mm vs. 30mm for the Chief and 95mm for the CAX.

 

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After a few games in the 4202 I sold my CAX.  I saw no reason to play it anymore.  

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View PostTempest fox3, on 03 May 2019 - 10:27 PM, said:

 

Your experience vs actual facts. Wonder which wins. 

 

My experiences, i was on the hill in Karelia shooting down on a 140 who penned my turret cheeks twice.

 

I will always take experience over words and numbers any day.

 

In my experience the FV4202 is the more enjoyable one to play but the CAX is more competitive.


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View PostToxicBullbog, on 05 May 2019 - 12:06 AM, said:

 

My experiences, i was on the hill in Karelia shooting down on a 140 who penned my turret cheeks twice.

 

I will always take experience over words and numbers any day.

 

In my experience the FV4202 is the more enjoyable one to play but the CAX is more competitive.

 

Well that's the cheeks. They've always been weak. It's the sloped top part that's so strong. Cheeks on CAX are weak too 

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In simple terms there are two things that make me like the FV more.

 

The single biggest difference to me is the gun.  There should be no real difference, but I found the AX gun trolled me a lot, it was so frustrating.  FV, not so much, for some reason it is way more reliable than the AX was.

 

The second thing is that the AX is massive, the smaller hull of the FV makes it a little easier to work those ridgelines,



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View PostBigWahala, on 05 May 2019 - 06:25 AM, said:

 

The single biggest difference to me is the gun.  There should be no real difference, but I found the AX gun trolled me a lot, it was so frustrating.  FV, not so much, for some reason it is way more reliable than the AX was.

The guns are exactly the same. It's all in your head.



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View PostTeffisk, on 05 May 2019 - 06:30 AM, said:

The guns are exactly the same. It's all in your head.

 

On paper yes, and that's why I don't play it, because for me the CAX's gun hit's the dirt more often than the FV





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