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FatGummyhead #1 Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:23 PM

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Leave the tanks alone . The only nerf need is the player , not the tank . A great tank in the hands of a poor player = a bad performance . Its cut and dry.  Spend some $$$ and support the Free Game , buy some cool tanks and have fun , it is a game not your life...

HomicidalApple0 #2 Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:26 PM

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This is for sure a sensitive topic that will receive backlash but I mean who would buy a tank that isn’t strong in some way honestly? The game needs to grow and develop, and also stay live, so they need income to be supported. People aren’t just going to buy [edited]tanks.

And if you spend real money on something it shouldn’t be nerfed, it was bought for its stars it had and probably cost a prettt penny

Desantnik81 #3 Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:32 PM

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Can they nerf pemium tanks in the first place since real money were paid for it? Did it happen before?

AJH387 #4 Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:44 PM

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Plenty of 'OP' tanks in the game. It is what it is. Not saying balancing shouldn't be taken into consideration, but something is always going to be the strongest tank in the class. You nerf the top one, chances are the one below it then becomes the standout 'OP' tank. As long as premiums don't get ridiculously out of control/balance then I say, the more good tanks in the game, the better. New KV2 is pretty crazy, just like when the auto-loader Borsig came out. I own neither and have had moments of getting wrecked by them. It is what it is. I'm glad people spent money on them, for the sake of the game. 

John Arrowsmith #5 Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:50 PM

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Premium tanks are not and should not be exempt from nerfs.

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SirDerp-a-lot #6 Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:56 PM

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We definitely want nerfs to premium tanks, if they are too overpowered.

 

Although I would also accept to buff all other tanks. Either way would work for me.



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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 15 May 2019 - 01:50 PM, said:

Premium tanks are not and should not be exempt from nerfs.

 

I agree. But I do think nerfing the PZ5/4 is a bad idea. People cry for all of these tanks to be nerfed and then you end up with no fun tanks to play. Just like the E50, TVP, etc etc. And it's not even tanks that I own. I don't own a Deathstar, Iron Reign, new KV2 etc etc. I always think there is a fine line of nerfing a tank and then it becomes garbage and then that can be bad for the game. People lose interest etc.

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View PostAJH387, on 15 May 2019 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

I agree. But I do think nerfing the PZ5/4 is a bad idea. People cry for all of these tanks to be nerfed and then you end up with no fun tanks to play. Just like the E50, TVP, etc etc. And it's not even tanks that I own. I don't own a Deathstar, Iron Reign, new KV2 etc etc. I always think there is a fine line of nerfing a tank and then it becomes garbage and then that can be bad for the game. People lose interest etc.

 

the 5/4 Should get better mobility but have it's health slashed in half.   Problem solved.  Having twice as many hit points as other t5 meds is just stupid.

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 15 May 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:

 

the 5/4 Should get better mobility but have it's health slashed in half.   Problem solved.  Having twice as many hit points as other t5 meds is just stupid.

 

Ya I get that. Like someone said, it does basically take the place of a heavy on the red team, so whether or not that means much, I dunno. But ya, if they need to balance something on that tank, so be it but don't ruin it, ala E50. Is all I'm saying. Hopefully if they feel the need, there is some sort of a middle ground. 

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they really need to nerf the Brick's armor, it is too strong for a medium tank.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So you don't want the game to be balanced?

It's not cut and dry at all. Premium tanks are not exempt.

 

Good luck with your op premiums when the servers are empty. 


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View PostSirDerp-a-lot, on 15 May 2019 - 06:56 PM, said:

We definitely want nerfs to premium tanks, if they are too overpowered.

 

Although I would also accept to buff all other tanks. Either way would work for me.

 

Buffing all of the other tanks would just require too much effort.

Far easier to simply nerf the main offenders.


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View PostDesantnik81, on 15 May 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

Can they nerf pemium tanks in the first place since real money were paid for it? Did it happen before?

 

EULA says they can do anything they want to basically and they have before. It drew enough backlash on PC they swore it off but that doesn't mean it cant happen or wont happen.

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View PostAJH387, on 15 May 2019 - 06:44 PM, said:

Plenty of 'OP' tanks in the game. It is what it is. Not saying balancing shouldn't be taken into consideration, but something is always going to be the strongest tank in the class. You nerf the top one, chances are the one below it then becomes the standout 'OP' tank. As long as premiums don't get ridiculously out of control/balance then I say, the more good tanks in the game, the better. New KV2 is pretty crazy, just like when the auto-loader Borsig came out. I own neither and have had moments of getting wrecked by them. It is what it is. I'm glad people spent money on them, for the sake of the game. 

 

Sure there's always going to be a 'best tank' within a given class/tier/playstyle. But good balancing is the difference between the 'best tank' being twice as good as the 'second best tank' or only marginally better.

 

Ideally you want tanks to be different but necessarily better or worse so that they're all worth playing. Different play style or different strengths and weaknesses.

 

Constant power creep is bad for the game, as is poor overall balancing. We already see some tanks being rarely played because they're simply inferior. 


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View PostFatGummyhead, on 15 May 2019 - 01:23 PM, said:

Leave the tanks alone . The only nerf need is the player , not the tank . A great tank in the hands of a poor player = a bad performance . Its cut and dry.  Spend some $$$ and support the Free Game , buy some cool tanks and have fun , it is a game not your life...

 

A premium tank with 10,000 mm of armor everywhere, with a 10k pen gun that does 10k damage every second, and drives up to 100 kph.  How is a poor player going to have constantly poor performances in that? 

 

That's the extreme, but if WG made a premium tank that's too powerful, it needs to be nerfed. The "there are no OP tanks because there are bad players" argument is ridiculous.


 

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View PostTempest fox3, on 15 May 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

 

Sure there's always going to be a 'best tank' within a given class/tier/playstyle. But good balancing is the difference between the 'best tank' being twice as good as the 'second best tank' or only marginally better.

 

Ideally you want tanks to be different but necessarily better or worse so that they're all worth playing. Different play style or different strengths and weaknesses.

 

Constant power creep is bad for the game, as is poor overall balancing. We already see some tanks being rarely played because they're simply inferior. 

 

View PostAJH387, on 15 May 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

 

Ya I get that. Like someone said, it does basically take the place of a heavy on the red team, so whether or not that means much, I dunno. But ya, if they need to balance something on that tank, so be it but don't ruin it, ala E50. Is all I'm saying. Hopefully if they feel the need, there is some sort of a middle ground. 

 



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I'm never in favor of nerfing and I'm not even crazy about buffing unless it is really bad, like the Brick. 

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 15 May 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

Premium tanks are not and should not be exempt from nerfs.

 

^^THIS^^

 

Or premium tanks stay as they are released and never have the chance to be buffed, you can't have it both ways.



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View PostFishfood50, on 15 May 2019 - 08:35 PM, said:

 

^^THIS^^

 

Or premium tanks stay as they are released and never have the chance to be buffed, you can't have it both ways.

Nerfs and buffs are really different concepts actually. In terms of the lifespan of a game, power creep, and people spending real money, the should be treated very differently. I agree with Arrowsmith that sometimes premiums require tuning down (mostly because there seems to be no bounds to the balancing logic of WGCB), but nerfing premiums does have a very high cost to customer trust. 

 

Buffing on the other hand is completely different. There is an inevitability to power creep in long living games like this. Out of date tanks like the IS-6, KV-5, and T-34-3 are good examples of tanks needing buffs. Over time, the tide rises. Some boats need the docks raised. 

 

All that being said, if they further nerf the Ariete, I'd pitch a hissy fit. 






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