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spuddud987654321 #21 Posted 29 May 2019 - 02:20 PM

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DAD Commander72 #22 Posted 29 May 2019 - 06:07 PM

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View Postspuddud987654321, on 29 May 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:

For an experienced player to continually play tier 5 or below imo means you are weak minded and need something to beat up on to feel worthy. Buy a puppy instead.

 

No, just having fun. The lower tiers have their own appeal. If you are a new player and you can't handle getting lit up you wont be around long anyway.

Wroclaw #23 Posted 29 May 2019 - 11:08 PM

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View PostThermalStone, on 29 May 2019 - 02:58 AM, said:

 

Umm, have you never looked at your own stat page?  :trollface:

 

you going to bring up my first 2 months in the game again as well ?

ThermalStone #24 Posted 29 May 2019 - 11:32 PM

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View PostWroclaw, on 29 May 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

 

you going to bring up my first 2 months in the game again as well ?

 

Every time there's a thread like this you call players with thousands of low tier games "scumbags" without actually contributting anything.  Meanwhile you have 2400+ games in the T22 Proto, 2000+ games in the 38H, and hundreds or thousands of games in other notorious seal clubbers like the Blizten, M2, Sexton, T-Rex and so on.

 

  If you were saying something like "I used to play a lot of low tier games but I learned my lesson and repented." I wouldn't say anything.  But as long as you heap insults on players for making the same tank choices you have, I will continue to expose your hypocrisy.  


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Wroclaw #25 Posted 29 May 2019 - 11:43 PM

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View PostThermalStone, on 29 May 2019 - 11:32 PM, said:

  But as long as you heap insults on players for making the same tank choices you have, I will continue to expose your hypocrisy.  

 

 you expose nothing except to re-bring up the games i played as a complete newbie during october & november 2016.

 

& what isnt insulting about seeing players with over 5k platooning down at tier 2. i dont care what your problem is, but its getting in the way of your objectivity.

 

 

 


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DAD Commander72 #26 Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:07 PM

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Nah, who cares. 

Kebabsaurus Rex #27 Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:54 PM

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View PostDAD Commander72, on 20 May 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

I got accused of seal clubbing yesterday by someone I shot up. He was higher tier too, so wasn't he seal clubbing as well? I love my Chinese Stuart, hate to give it up.

 

I know this is a frequent topic but here is my take. Life is not fair. And new people are going to have to learn to play this game in the real world. But I am open to ideas.

 

Given the state of the game at the moment I will happily play lower tiers (e.g. 5 and 6).

 

IMO, play what you like.



WEREW0LF 8541 #28 Posted 10 June 2019 - 04:58 PM

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Why can't we club L E M M I N G S!!! Their really S T U P I D!!!

GameWinner_001 #29 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:12 PM

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..................seal clubbing is a myth...............

MilitaryGoose05 #30 Posted 11 June 2019 - 11:35 AM

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Online games depend on recruiting a constant stream of new players.

 

WG have allowed seal clubbing to proliferate to such an extent that the new player experience in this game is just terrible.

 

As a result new player retention is appalling. As evidenced by the very low numbers of players on tiers I-IV.

 

This has lead to low player numbers across the game, resulting in all the woes we see with the MM and unfair teams and one sided battles.

 

 

Seal clubbing has basically killed this game. All that's left for WG is milking the whales of the dwindling playerbase until it dies out.

 

 

So is it bad? Yeah, probably. I love this game and I think it's sad if it dies out. I think WG should remove or heavily nerf all the seal clubbing tanks immediately. And populate lower tiers with bots. And do campaigns to bring in new players.



John Arrowsmith #31 Posted 12 June 2019 - 08:10 AM

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After reading about a player boasting about having over 10k battles in the sexton 1 it's no surprise new players don't stay.

World of tanks Auto lock edition,  because aiming shouldn't be a skill.

 

 

 


Highlordwurm #32 Posted 13 June 2019 - 05:37 PM

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I like the idea of low tier bots, maybe just no free XP accumulation for bot games to avoid people farming bots for free XP, the rest I think would be OK...and keep live low tiers, just give the people the option, like, trying to get the first package on the M3 Lee, then you can pop over to live MP to get whomped by CKV1s and Pz V/IVs once you upgrade it

 


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View PostMilitaryGoose05, on 11 June 2019 - 03:35 AM, said:

Online games depend on recruiting a constant stream of new players.

 

WG have allowed seal clubbing to proliferate to such an extent that the new player experience in this game is just terrible.

 

As a result new player retention is appalling. As evidenced by the very low numbers of players on tiers I-IV.

 

This has lead to low player numbers across the game, resulting in all the woes we see with the MM and unfair teams and one sided battles.

 

 

Seal clubbing has basically killed this game. All that's left for WG is milking the whales of the dwindling playerbase until it dies out.

 

 

So is it bad? Yeah, probably. I love this game and I think it's sad if it dies out. I think WG should remove or heavily nerf all the seal clubbing tanks immediately. And populate lower tiers with bots. And do campaigns to bring in new players.

 

Can't give this post enough +1s

YES!

Remove crew training bonus for all tier 3 premos and boost it for the higher tier premo tanks immediately.  (and Pete's sake just nerf the Sexton, V/IV and Absolution already)

This would stop "legitimate" seal clubbing immediately

No way to prevent people who would want to seal club regularly, as they are free to play tanks they own, but let's not encourage people to play them!



JelliedPenny08 #34 Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:58 AM

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View PostDAD Commander72, on 29 May 2019 - 06:07 PM, said:

 

No, just having fun. The lower tiers have their own appeal. If you are a new player and you can't handle getting lit up you wont be around long anyway.

 

Honestly, everyone has their own interpretation and standards - sealclubbing is something very subjective. A couple of years ago I trained all my raw crews at tier 3. I didn't see a problem with that at the time. Now I tend to do it at tier 5 but I have gone down to 3 or 4 for the odd game. I generally filter out anything below tier 5 now and usually forget about playing there. 

 

I have a ton of premium tanks though at all tiers, so I don't play tier 5 too much, but it does seem silly sometimes as I probably have nearly all of the tier 5 premiums (except the Prototipus). I don't feel guilty about using them, as I bought them. On the other hand I bought the Christmas Combat Car bundle the first year it was available an haven't seen much use out of them and have tier 3 premiums that I have never even driven from chests. We all move on at our own pace, often without realising. 

 

Don't feel bad about driving a tank you like, just don't be afraid to move on, or dial it back, if it loses its shine. I quite enjoyed going through the Chinese Stuart and above to earn the Legion (whenever that was), but going through the US Stuart platooning with my son was a bit frustrating a few months back. 



rick007cmx1 #35 Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:05 PM

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View PostVery Classy, on 20 May 2019 - 07:51 AM, said:

In terms of possibly pooping on new players to the point of them never playing the game again, I have a problem with seal-clubbing. I love the game... I want players playing... and for them to enjoy playing the game... and to continue playing the game.

 

However, in terms of folks playing "clubbing" tanks, well, I'm not one to say, "Don't play that tank that's in your garage, man." Everybody should play the vehicle they want. They have it... they should be able to play it 

 

For me, the onus shouldn't be on players to not seal-club, but for the developers to find a way to make the New Player Experience not a complete slaughter.

 

I'd probably give newish players pre-loaded 200k XP on every new crew... so they can start with a couple of skills/perks.

 

I would love for them to play solely against other newish players, but I doubt the numbers could ever support this.

 

But... holy cow, a player complaining that a lower tier vehicle is clubbing is a head-scratcher.

 

Hey! WG has stolen my Master Tanker 6 times! They force us to hunt low tiers. I still got to play tier 1 to kill the new tanks. I hate tier 1.

Besides they sell premium tanks at tier 2.

 

And..the best way to try new tactics or learn maps by solo players is lower tiers. 



rick007cmx1 #36 Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:06 PM

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View PostDAD Commander72, on 20 May 2019 - 07:12 AM, said:

I got accused of seal clubbing yesterday by someone I shot up. He was higher tier too, so wasn't he seal clubbing as well? I love my Chinese Stuart, hate to give it up.

 

I know this is a frequent topic but here is my take. Life is not fair. And new people are going to have to learn to play this game in the real world. But I am open to ideas.

It's all good man. If u are not clubbing, u r a baby seal. 



rick007cmx1 #37 Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:09 PM

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View PostThermalStone, on 20 May 2019 - 08:51 AM, said:

Nothing wrong with it.  Low tiers are fun and great for crew training.  Not my fault if WG doesn't balance the low tiers.  The only reasons I don't club more often are ops and I try to avoid stat pollution.

 

 

 

Exactly, me too. It's a nice change of pace after a tier 10 losing streak.

rick007cmx1 #38 Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:13 PM

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View PostRed Dough Boy, on 20 May 2019 - 08:57 AM, said:

Killing a tank higher is nothing close to seal clubbing, that guy was just hunting for an excuse because he lost and can't accept that. Seal clubbing is running tier 3s and 4s down in the Pz V/IV, or derping tier 4s in your KV-2.

 

Seals should be protected not clubbed, then clubbed to Hell when they get to tier 8 and 9 and face tier 10s constantly so they can know the pain of high tiers. PC has +1/-1 MM for up to tier 3 so at least tier 3s don't have to see tanks like the above mentioned monstrosity. 

 

Tier 6 is mid tier buddy, not clubbing. Do you hunt KV2s down with your tier 8? You ever shoot a lower tier vehicle or are you too noble?

rick007cmx1 #39 Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:16 PM

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View PostWroclaw, on 29 May 2019 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

  november 2016.

 

 

 

 

Good times


Edited by rick007cmx1, 17 June 2019 - 08:25 PM.


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View PostMilitaryGoose05, on 11 June 2019 - 05:35 AM, said:

Online games depend on recruiting a constant stream of new players.

 

WG have allowed seal clubbing to proliferate to such an extent that the new player experience in this game is just terrible.

 

As a result new player retention is appalling. As evidenced by the very low numbers of players on tiers I-IV.

 

This has lead to low player numbers across the game, resulting in all the woes we see with the MM and unfair teams and one sided battles.

 

 

Seal clubbing has basically killed this game. All that's left for WG is milking the whales of the dwindling playerbase until it dies out.

 

 

So is it bad? Yeah, probably. I love this game and I think it's sad if it dies out. I think WG should remove or heavily nerf all the seal clubbing tanks immediately. And populate lower tiers with bots. And do campaigns to bring in new players.

 

They would have to refund every bit of gold for premium tanks tier 2-5.




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