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Why AMX Chaffee couldn't get an appropriate HP at Tier7LT ?

appropriate HP at its tier AMX Chaffee Tier7LT

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salomon2007 #1 Posted 29 May 2019 - 09:15 PM

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Since french Tier7LT AMX Chaffee had been moved from tier6 to tier7, it has not got HP buff at all. Still it has only Tier6LT level HP "600".

Why WGCB Dev have let AMX Chafee's HP stay as it is now of Tier6LT level ? I want to know the exact reason.



Joco3000 #2 Posted 29 May 2019 - 09:45 PM

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The exact reason is because nothing about the tank, apart from tier, was changed.

It was already effectively a tier VII in terms of matchmaking.


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View PostJoco3000, on 29 May 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

The exact reason is because nothing about the tank, apart from tier, was changed.

It was already effectively a tier VII in terms of matchmaking.

But all the history of this tank in game aside, does it really make sense that a tier 7 light that goes 10kph slower than everything else also has 200 less hp? I think not. 



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View PostTeffisk, on 29 May 2019 - 10:25 PM, said:

But all the history of this tank in game aside, does it really make sense that a tier 7 light that goes 10kph slower than everything else also has 200 less hp? I think not. 

He asked for the reason, that was the reason.

 

I think it should be buffed personally.


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View PostJoco3000, on 29 May 2019 - 10:33 PM, said:

He asked for the reason, that was the reason.

 

I think it should be buffed personally.

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View PostJoco3000, on 30 May 2019 - 06:45 AM, said:

The exact reason is because nothing about the tank, apart from tier, was changed.

It was already effectively a tier VII in terms of matchmaking.

 

Match-making is one thing and appropriate HP is another. As premium tanks they tend to be nerfed at their release but AMX Chaffee had been released a long time ago and it has been moved to tier7 after its release. Even if it is a premium tank, it shouldn't be more inferior on spec to other same tier, class tanks.:unsure:

 

Tier7LT HP comparison

AMX Chaffee : 600

AMX 13 75 : 850

HMH AMX 13 57 (AMX 13 57) : 890

T71 DA : 840

T71 CMCD : 840

Lycan T71 : 840

Spähpanzer I C : 810

Aufklärungspanzer Panther : 950

LTG : 880

WZ-131 : 820

Dragon Type 62 (Type 62) : 880

 

 


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The tank is sorely in need of an HP buff. Even a few tier VI light tanks have more HP, such as the T37 (610), VK 28.01 (630) and the Snakebite (750). 

 

Of course the spreadsheet probably says it has an “outstanding” 50% WR, so obviously, according to WGCB logic, a buff is not needed...



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You need to sneak into the server room and get a good look at "The Spreadsheet".  All answers lie there.
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View PostATHFjman18, on 30 May 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

The tank is sorely in need of an HP buff. Even a few tier VI light tanks have more HP, such as the T37 (610), VK 28.01 (630) and the Snakebite (750). 

 

Of course the spreadsheet probably says it has an “outstanding” 50% WR, so obviously, according to WGCB logic, a buff is not needed...

 

View Postdonny007-THX, on 30 May 2019 - 09:26 AM, said:

You need to sneak into the server room and get a good look at "The Spreadsheet".  All answers lie there.

 

I think their mentioning about "statistics" is obscured which they WGCB Dev fully rely on when they decide to manipulate tanks spec nerfing or buffing.

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i never play my AMX Chaffee anymore.

i just feel like i let my team down playing it when i could be in a aulkf panther or a ramrod or a AMX 13 57 or any tank with HP that is not a 1-2 shot.

 

mostly because of super low hp and 1 mistake is usely death in the tank.


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View PostVampire_Izumi, on 29 May 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

i never play my AMX Chaffee anymore.

i just feel like i let my team down playing it when i could be in a aulkf panther or a ramrod or a AMX 13 57

 

mostly because of super low hp and 1 mistake is usely death in the tank.

 

That is a good argument.  The awflpanther can get by with some pretty bad mistakes and still finish top of team.  Chaffee is a good tank and fun to play just really has such a slim margin for error as you say.  If I was really good at it then that would not be a problem.  Since I do make mistakes I need a little buffer to correct and continue in the battle.
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View Postdonny007-THX, on 30 May 2019 - 11:29 AM, said:

 

That is a good argument.  The awflpanther can get by with some pretty bad mistakes and still finish top of team.  Chaffee is a good tank and fun to play just really has such a slim margin for error as you say.  If I was really good at it then that would not be a problem.  Since I do make mistakes I need a little buffer to correct and continue in the battle.

 

exactly +1

 

it is also a tank that you cannot really play aggressive. 

if it got a HP buff, it woud be a fantastic tank to play. but with the current HP, there are waay better tanks to play.


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The same reason they try to turn every map in to derpenberg.

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View PostJoco3000, on 29 May 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

The exact reason is because nothing about the tank, apart from tier, was changed.

It was already effectively a tier VII in terms of matchmaking.

 

In terms of the combine total of it‘s components (radio not included) it‘s tier 6 tank (5.75). For some reason WG decided not to cut down it’s magazine size to 4 shells, like they did with tanks such as the AMX 12t and beyond. Judging by this either they should cut down the magazine and place it back in tier 6, or give it some improvements, like a Tier 7 turret (HP/view range), and engine (top speed increase to 60+ km/h)

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View Postwake_the_move, on 30 May 2019 - 03:23 AM, said:

 

In terms of the combine total of it‘s components (radio not included) it‘s tier 6 tank (5.75). For some reason WG decided not to cut down it’s magazine size to 4 shells, like they did with tanks such as the AMX 12t and beyond. Judging by this either they should cut down the magazine and place it back in tier 6, or give it some improvements, like a Tier 7 turret (HP/view range), and engine (top speed increase to 60+ km/h)

The tier of a module, especially on a premium tank, actually means nothing.


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View PostJoco3000, on 30 May 2019 - 07:27 AM, said:

The tier of a module, especially on a premium tank, actually means nothing.

Looking at the conception of other tanks it does quite a lot. Except the fact that regarding premium tanks some of them reach combined totals that equal fully developed regular tanks of the same tier, the Tiger devirates like the Hammer or Tiger 131 in particular.

 

Before that premium tanks were normally positioned somewhere between a stock and a fully developed tank of the same tier. The AMX chaffee however barely even reaches the tier level of a stock tank of it‘s tier. A boost to it‘s HP pool and maybe a speed buff is by all means justifiable.



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View Postwake_the_move, on 30 May 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

Looking at the conception of other tanks it does quite a lot. Except the fact that regarding premium tanks some of them reach combined totals that equal fully developed regular tanks of the same tier, the Tiger devirates like the Hammer or Tiger 131 in particular.

 

Before that premium tanks were normally positioned somewhere between a stock and a fully developed tank of the same tier. The AMX chaffee however barely even reaches the tier level of a stock tank of it‘s tier. A boost to it‘s HP pool and maybe a speed buff is by all means justifiable.

You misunderstand, and it's something the community as a whole struggles to grasp entirely.

 

The tier of a module affects its research cost and it's purchase price. It by no means informs you of how effective said module actually is.

As a premium tank doesn't need to purchase or research further modules, the tiers mean nothing.

WG could make every module on the AMX Chaffee tier VII without changing a single stat on them. And seeing how those modules are on par with some tier VII modules (or exceeds them), this wouldn't be amiss either. 


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View PostJoco3000, on 30 May 2019 - 11:51 AM, said:

You misunderstand, and it's something the community as a whole struggles to grasp entirely.

 

The tier of a module affects its research cost and it's purchase price. It by no means informs you of how effective said module actually is.

As a premium tank doesn't need to purchase or research further modules, the tiers mean nothing.

WG could make every module on the AMX Chaffee tier VII without changing a single stat on them. And seeing how those modules are on par with some tier VII modules (or exceeds them), this wouldn't be amiss either. 

 

The combined total of all components also is a measurement of at which tier the particular tank is to be located. And of course with higher tiers come higher values such as HP.  Look what happens if you upgrade the turret of a regular tank. It goes up a tier, providing more HP, or/and more view range, maybe even higher RoF, etc. Most premium tanks have score of 0.25 to 0.5 lower compared to their regulars, which are at least hold a full tier score, or even slightly above when fully developed. There are very few exceptions, which are only proving the rule.

 

Then AMX chaffee is 1.25 below 7. Raising it‘s turret to tier 7 would also justify an HP increase (which it is in need of), increasing it‘s engine therefore an increase in top speed.



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I think I might be the only person on the forum that thinks that the tank is fine as it is, all they did was change the actual tier of the tank the only other thing that changed with regards to in game stuff is that it no longer sees tier 10's which is kind of a buff. It's a good tank in my book.

 

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Is there any tier 6 tank in the game, which is still seeing tier 10s? I remember the VK 28.01 once, or the T-50-2, but those days are long past afaik.

 

AMX chaffee‘s HP should be raised to 750-800, speed to 60-63 kph.






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