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TocFanKe4 #21 Posted 05 June 2019 - 04:12 PM

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As server populations fall, expect more win rate swings

 

The E25 was built for Shenanigans


Roy Houston #22 Posted 05 June 2019 - 05:45 PM

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It's a fool's game to think it's not rigged matchmaking

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt29ecoW1Kk

 

 



ObzoR #23 Posted 05 June 2019 - 06:19 PM

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I have also had a losing streak lately.

Tempest fox3 #24 Posted 05 June 2019 - 06:36 PM

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I like mine more

 

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M4ntiX #25 Posted 05 June 2019 - 07:11 PM

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View PostTempest fox3, on 05 June 2019 - 06:36 PM, said:

I like mine more

 

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Platoon? :D I need to seal club some more tier X's, please.

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Tempest fox3 #26 Posted 05 June 2019 - 07:42 PM

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View PostM4ntiX, on 05 June 2019 - 07:11 PM, said:

 

Platoon? :D I need to seal club some more tier X's, please.

 

Mostly solo actually, had to grind out the last 150 points for the spring op on sunday. Only significant platooning was the other day with you and Classy on I think monday?

 

View PostSpexinator25, on 05 June 2019 - 03:02 PM, said:

This game is so broken,no wonder playerbase has left.

Manipulating tanks to keep players at a certain win rate is called game rigging...Why bother playing when every one of my tanks are total garbage, because of their influence on the game by RNG,horrible MM,and the dont win to much attitude they have...

 

 

Ah yes, WG Rigged it so that my overall win rate would increase from 56% to just over 60% in about 6 months. Much rigging. 


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TocFanKe4 #27 Posted 05 June 2019 - 08:49 PM

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View PostRoy Houston, on 05 June 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

It's a fool's game to think it's not rigged matchmaking

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt29ecoW1Kk

 

 

 

I didn't know EA was in charge of WoTC


 

The E25 was built for Shenanigans


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This is one of the many reasons they shouldn’t use the Win Rate of a tank to declare it “balanced”.

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Roy Houston #29 Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:16 AM

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View PostTocFanKe4, on 05 June 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

 

I didn't know EA was in charge of WoTC

 

Wargaming owns the patent on this algorithm, 

R35T NO MORE #30 Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:30 AM

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View Postim_balthazur, on 05 June 2019 - 01:23 PM, said:

WR means your TEAM did good or bad. Has nothing to do with individuals. 

 

PS... MM is broken beyond repair. Scrap it. Go w/ 9 and 10, 7 and 8... etc. 

 

 

 

Wrong. Players don't get high win rates due to teams, they get it DESPITE the teams.

 

 



M4ntiX #31 Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:35 AM

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View PostR35T NO MORE, on 06 June 2019 - 06:30 AM, said:

 

Wrong. Players don't get high win rates due to teams, they get it DESPITE the teams.

 

 

 

Well said. It is a 1 vs. 29 after all.


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Tempest fox3 #32 Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:18 PM

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View PostRoy Houston, on 06 June 2019 - 06:16 AM, said:

 

Wargaming owns the patent on this algorithm, 

 

I'll correct you, wargaming owns "a" patent on it. EA is not using the same system described in the WG patent. Nor are Activision. Two companies so utterly obsessed with money would not pay to use the system Wargaming patented. 

 

Futher more, it has been shown numerous times that wargaming are not using the system described by the patent.

 

Patents are used to protect your work, whether you use it yourself or not the patent prevents others from using it without paying you for a license. Or getting sued for huge sums if it ever gets found out that they're using it without a license. 


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TocFanKe4 #33 Posted 06 June 2019 - 01:17 PM

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View PostRoy Houston, on 06 June 2019 - 01:16 AM, said:

 

Wargaming owns the patent on this algorithm, 

 

Lol that old nugget.  What is this, 2015?

 

Have you read the patent? I have. They also patented random MM, along with MM that gets easier/harder as you lose/win, and a type of skill based MM if I remember right. Sometimes companies patent things to keep others from using it even if they aren't. They can patent things to get royalty fees, or to keep a competitor from using something even if they don't use it.  Our developer has said they don't use the "rigged" MM. 

 

You know the new hotness is complaining about how all the terrible players are on one team causing blowouts, right? That's what's up in 2019.  People are asking for "rigged" skill based MM to end blowouts. I've found it amusing that the thing tinfoil hat people were complaining about in 2015 is what a portion of the forum is requesting in 2019.


 

The E25 was built for Shenanigans


MilitaryGoose05 #34 Posted 06 June 2019 - 02:20 PM

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That x3 multiplier you win for completing the Spring Games stage is deadly. I just had a run of 13 losses to 2 wins while it was active.

 

Totally rigged MM.

 

Getting worse as server population drops too.



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View PostMilitaryGoose05, on 06 June 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

That x3 multiplier you win for completing the Spring Games stage is deadly. I just had a run of 13 losses to 2 wins while it was active.

 

Totally rigged MM.

 

Getting worse as server population drops too.

 

Oh yeah, for sure. Just think of all the money WG is making by giving us 20x boosts and then making us lose, right?

 

Then again... do you think you could throw some light at this business plan? It's a bit dark here today and I don't see it.


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OP started this troll post. What did you expect to hear? I just love how people on here speak with absolute authority on the inner and hidden workings of the matchmaker. None of you knows. I think the best position to take on it is an “agnostic” one. Until WG ever comes out and clearly and transparently explains or discloses how their matchmaker works, then I take the whole MM discussion somewhat as an agnostic. We have both the fanboys and true believers on one side who proclaim they somehow know that it isn’t rigged and on the other side we have pretty much the opposite.

 

What is ignored is that WG has not clearly explained how the MM works to all of us. What is also ignored are comments from the player base about how imbalanced the teams are with respect to tiers and tank classes (yes, it often is), how streaky it is (yes, it is very streaky), and how it seems to produce days and nights of consecutive losses where there’s just never much of a chance to win (lots of steam roll victories or long strings of so-called bad luck or “rng” as it is called.

 

MM appears to be broken when you are bottom tiered over and over again and winless for long stretches no matter how well you do.

 

Look, the MM doesn’t have to be “rigged” to be broken. It appears its definitely one of them but its unclear if its both (i.e., broken and rigged). Again, the authority assumed by the commenters here is stunning and appalling. I’m speaking mostly of the WG apologists who proclaim confidently (without providing reference or source) that the MM is fair, efficient, balanced, and “working as intended.”

 

I have serious doubts but remain agnostic about it. I don’t think anyone really knows.   



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Waiting for my win rate to get to 50%


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Today I had 93% on my 261 and got 8. Yes 8 city maps in a row and dropped to 88%. Does that count as bad mm? :hiding:

Poppyluv77 #39 Posted 10 June 2019 - 11:12 PM

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Do you know how mm works?

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View PostCheweyBadge, on 10 June 2019 - 10:59 PM, said:

Today I had 93% on my 261 and got 8. Yes 8 city maps in a row and dropped to 88%. Does that count as bad mm? :hiding:

 

Do you know how matchmaking works? If so, please explain and provide your sources. 





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