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AnonymousHobo69 #1 Posted 07 June 2019 - 04:06 PM

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There are several tanks in the Chinese line that are moderately to severely outperformed and are worst or close to worst in class. In this thread, I will list 2 examples, though there are more I won't cover.

 

First off, the 121. The OBJ. 430 U, a tank with a very similar play style to the 121, requires ~1,000 more combined damage to three mark. This alone clearly shows how much better the 430 U performs in game than the 121. The 121 has unusable gun depression, with 3.5 degrees, there are times when one needs to drive perpendicular to a target up a slope just to get the gun down. If you're on a bumpy or hilly map, a lot of area is unusable without throwing away your health. In addition, sometimes when fighting heavily armored tanks, for example and IS-7, if the enemy is too close to you, the gun doesn't go far down enough to hit the penetrable areas of the tank, and sometimes you can't hit the tank at all. A brawling medium should never be forced to distance itself from targets in order to pen, it's just ridiculous. The 121's terrible gun depression is the main factor for its noncompetitive nature, and it should be changed from 3.5 to 5 degrees. Even this small change would help the tank become much more usable and fun. As the 121 is already outmatched by other tier 10 mediums in many areas, the least it could receive is a gun depression buff.

 

The WZ-132-1 is another under-performing Chinese tank. Compared to the other tier 10 lights, it has has second to worst class camo, 2nd to worst class view range, and worst in class mobility. In fact, some mediums such as the Batchat 25T and OBJ. 430 U have better stationary camo than the 132-1, which means they can out spot it easily. What does the WZ-132-1 get in return for being a bad spotting tank? Not much, as the gun is quite terrible. It has the worst in class DPM for single shot lights, bad accuracy, and bad handling. Comparing the gun to the Sheridan, the other 390 alpha tier 10 light, the gun of the WZ-132-1 has worse handling, worse accuracy, and way less dpm. The only thing it does better is slightly more apcr pen, which is negligible. The WZ-132-1 is a bad scout and a bad damage dealer, and it needs buffs badly. There is no niche for a tank that can't do anything well, like the WZ-132-1. Personally, I would buff the RoF and gun handling stats on this tank. 

 

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Some of the Chinese tanks got buffs in 4.10

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View PostBrogueOne, on 07 June 2019 - 04:09 PM, said:

Some of the Chinese tanks got buffs in 4.10

 

The 113 got a single buff in a stat it didn’t really need, the 110 got its stock guns buffed and the T-34-2 was buffed but still remains a completely outclassed tank by nearly all the other tier 8 mediums.

 

Wow, what a set of buffs..


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View PostBrogueOne, on 07 June 2019 - 10:09 AM, said:

Some of the Chinese tanks got buffs in 4.10

 

The only one that got a significant buff was the T-34-2. All other buffs were negligible or to the stock configuration. Neither of the tanks I listed were buffed.

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I'd also ad the td line to this list. 

 

They are not bad tanks, instead they are only mediocre with nothing to set them apart from other turretless tank destroyers. 

 



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I love the idea of Chinese tier 10s getting buffed as they are among my most played tanks. But it's wg we're talking about, their graphs say the tanks are balanced so they won't touch them.

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View PostI FlyinEgg I, on 07 June 2019 - 10:43 AM, said:

I love the idea of Chinese tier 10s getting buffed as they are among my most played tanks. But it's wg we're talking about, their graphs say the tanks are balanced so they won't touch them.

 

Probably. I'm seeing Chinese tier 10s more and more now, so hopefully these tanks start getting proper buffs when non unis start playing them.

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View PostSalty_Tanker, on 07 June 2019 - 11:27 AM, said:

Type T-34 is the highlight of the Chinese tech tree .  

 

Most people don't even get that far.

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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 07 June 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

 

The only one that got a significant buff was the T-34-2. All other buffs were negligible or to the stock configuration. Neither of the tanks I listed were buffed.

I realize that.  I was just stating a fact.  The fact that they’ve buffed a few is possibly a portent of buffs to others in the future.  I have the Tier IX Heavy in my own garage and certainly wouldn’t complain if it got improved some even though I don’t notice much difference in playing it compared to the T-10.



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View PostBrogueOne, on 07 June 2019 - 11:56 AM, said:

 I have the Tier IX Heavy in my own garage and certainly wouldn’t complain if it got improved some even though I don’t notice much difference in playing it compared to the T-10.

That's probably because it's one of the best Chinese vehicles in the tech tree. The 1-4 and 5A are quite good, as with most of the heavy line. The lights, mediums and tds are a different story, however.



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I find the TDs to be very good. Haven't got to the tier 10 yet, but the tier 8 and 9 are slightly worse versions of the very OP russians, so still slightly OP chinese.

 

The medium line is laughably bad, though.

The heavy line is good and doesn't need buffs imo.

 

 


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View PostBrogueOne, on 07 June 2019 - 04:09 PM, said:

Some of the Chinese tanks got buffs in 4.10

 

The 110's buff was to its stock gun. The 113 buff did nothing. 

 

So neither of those buffs really count. 


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My experience is this, FWIW:

 

Tier 9 WZ heavy is fine as it is.

Tier 10 WZ heavy is more than fine as is.

Tier 5 Type T 34 is fine as it.  Good tank

Tier 8 Legion Patton needs some love.  Buff this hockey puck.

Tier 8 King Dragon is more than fine as is.

Tier 8 T 34-3 needs more buffs.  It is close to fine just love it up....like gun handling.

Tier 8 WZ 120 TD is great as is.  Leave alone.

Tier 6 59-16 light is fine.

 

Buff the lights above the tier 6.  

Buff the mediums above tier 6.

I quit the light TT and medium TT after tier 6 as they just were not fun.  

 

 


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View PostBigHundy, on 07 June 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

I find the TDs to be very good. Haven't got to the tier 10 yet, but the tier 8 and 9 are slightly worse versions of the very OP russians, so still slightly OP chinese.

 

The medium line is laughably bad, though.

The heavy line is good and doesn't need buffs imo.

 

 

 

The tier 10 td is the worst of the line tier for tier. 113 still needs dpm/RoF buff.

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Chinese T10 light was nerfed in 4.6 Nefocalipse iirc. Now as it is it's probably the worst light tank at tier, and even if you include tier IX it would be one of the worst lights. I would go that far to claim that tier IX Chinese is equal or better to tier X, but both are still at the very bottom of the bunch. T49, T-54 ltwt, 13-90, and RU-251 are all hands down better light tanks.



 


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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 07 June 2019 - 07:50 PM, said:

 

The tier 10 td is the worst of the line tier for tier. 113 still needs dpm/RoF buff.

 

That you might be right. Chinese TD line is absolutely useless at higher tiers.


 


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View Postmatematicalone, on 07 June 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

That you might be right. Chinese TD line is absolutely useless at higher tiers.

 

It's basically an E3 but without any armor, a worse gun, and even bigger. Makes for a terrible tank.

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More T-54 buffs you say?


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