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BoereJack #21 Posted 07 June 2019 - 07:35 PM

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121 doesnt need anything imo, i think it is better then the 430u. If any thing, 1,5 degrees of gun dep extra would make it more flexible, but i like the challenge of being creative to get the extra in the game. As for the gun, i think that is awesome with its reloadtimes.

 

the wz132-1 should have the same/simulair reload as the sheridan.... other then that i can make it work but it is quit a challenge(which again i enjoy)


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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 07 June 2019 - 07:50 PM, said:

 

The tier 10 td is the worst of the line tier for tier. 113 still needs dpm/RoF buff.

 

This.

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When I went through both lines back in the day I fell in love with the chinese lights and meds especially the lights (still find the 132 to be great) then they added IX and X which I felt the IX was a slight improvement but tier X was a standstill. Its out classed not only by the other lights but by being in tier X, and that was before the nerf.

The medium line was much the same for me (I did branch off the lights to get the high tiered meds). The WZ-120 was a great tank for me with its high alfa and mobile frame but when I got the 121 it felt like a step back, a big step back.

I sold them all to fund other projects but would love to spend the silver on the 121 in hopes I could make it work this time. I doubt I ever will tough.



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View PostY5O5ER1U5, on 07 June 2019 - 04:43 PM, said:

When I went through both lines back in the day I fell in love with the chinese lights and meds especially the lights (still find the 132 to be great) then they added IX and X which I felt the IX was a slight improvement but tier X was a standstill. Its out classed not only by the other lights but by being in tier X, and that was before the nerf.

The medium line was much the same for me (I did branch off the lights to get the high tiered meds). The WZ-120 was a great tank for me with its high alfa and mobile frame but when I got the 121 it felt like a step back, a big step back.

I sold them all to fund other projects but would love to spend the silver on the 121 in hopes I could make it work this time. I doubt I ever will tough.

My 121 just sits in my garage waiting for me to play it once every few months, and is promptly mothballed again when I remember how much I hate working around the gun depression :P



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The comparison between the 121 and 430U is compelling, but don't forget the 430U has significantly better hull armor than the 113 heavy.

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View Postmatematicalone, on 07 June 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:

Chinese T10 light was nerfed in 4.6 Nefocalipse iirc. Now as it is it's probably the worst light tank at tier, and even if you include tier IX it would be one of the worst lights. I would go that far to claim that tier IX Chinese is equal or better to tier X, but both are still at the very bottom of the bunch. T49, T-54 ltwt, 13-90, and RU-251 are all hands down better light tanks.

 

Absolutely, the WZ-132A and 132-1 are the worst tier IX & X lights. Really the entire line sucks since light tank rebalance.

 

WZ-132A traverse is slower in both the tracks and the turret compared to the tier VIII WZ-132. Plus the view range is only 390 so it gets out spotted by basically every thing besides French lights and the gun handling is horrendous. 

 

The 132-1 has horrible RoF paired with bad gun handling. Has literally no advantages over tier X mediums outside of hp/t, which is the lowest of the tier X lights.


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Kaboost #27 Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:46 AM

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The WZ-120 needs the GD buff just as bad as the 121. Both are outclassed by their Russian rivals(T-54 & Object 430U).

 

And while the penetration buff didn’t really help the 113 too much it was applied to the WZ-120 as well. 


Lights tanks need rebalanced(again)

​Update 4.2 and 4.6 were terrible


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View PostKaboost, on 07 June 2019 - 07:46 PM, said:

The WZ-120 needs the GD buff just as bad as the 121. Both are outclassed by their Russian rivals(T-54 & Object 430U).

 

I agree. T-54 has better turret and hull armor as well as better gun depression and mobility and gun handling.

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You 113 owners are relatively happy with this tank?  I just bought it today and it seems like a nice gun and mobility.  Just have not figured out how to block damage.....
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View Postdonny007-THX, on 08 June 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

You 113 owners are relatively happy with this tank?  I just bought it today and it seems like a nice gun and mobility.  Just have not figured out how to block damage.....

It has virtually no gun depression. That’s the biggest issue for me personally


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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View PostEl Materdor43, on 08 June 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

It has virtually no gun depression. That’s the biggest issue for me personally

 

5 degrees and 7 on the side. That’s better than 121(3.5 everywhere).

Lights tanks need rebalanced(again)

​Update 4.2 and 4.6 were terrible


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View Postdonny007-THX, on 08 June 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

You 113 owners are relatively happy with this tank?  I just bought it today and it seems like a nice gun and mobility.  Just have not figured out how to block damage.....

 

I’m probably one of the worst 113 drivers out there but I really only have an enjoyable time platooning in it.

Lights tanks need rebalanced(again)

​Update 4.2 and 4.6 were terrible


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View PostKaboost, on 08 June 2019 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

5 degrees and 7 on the side. That’s better than 121(3.5 everywhere).

I missed that memo. How long has it had it?

 

Edit:  tankopedia says it has 7. It doesn’t feel like it in any way 


   

 

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                 

 


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View PostKaboost, on 08 June 2019 - 10:05 AM, said:

 

I’m probably one of the worst 113 drivers out there but I really only have an enjoyable time platooning in it.

 

Given that I am now driving it you are no longer one of the worst....That is my spot.

 

I need to get some skills on the crew but it runs hot and cold.  So there is hope I can get to a steady dark green in it.


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View Postdonny007-THX, on 08 June 2019 - 12:43 PM, said:

 

Given that I am now driving it you are no longer one of the worst....That is my spot.

 

I need to get some skills on the crew but it runs hot and cold.  So there is hope I can get to a steady dark green in it.

 

In the same boat. I don’t have any crew skills and like you said I will have good games and then really really bad ones.

 

The first 19 battles I had a winning percentage in the 30s and I had only lived one battle. Nobody on the red team respects the 113 and I kept dying like the pro player I am.


Edited by Kaboost, 08 June 2019 - 07:26 PM.

Lights tanks need rebalanced(again)

​Update 4.2 and 4.6 were terrible


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View Postdonny007-THX, on 08 June 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

You 113 owners are relatively happy with this tank?  I just bought it today and it seems like a nice gun and mobility.  Just have not figured out how to block damage.....

 

View PostKaboost, on 08 June 2019 - 12:05 PM, said:

 

I’m probably one of the worst 113 drivers out there but I really only have an enjoyable time platooning in it.

 

The 113 is relatively playable, just not very good compared to other tier 10 heavies. 113 upper plate is complete butter, you can only bounce with your turret reliably. 5A is a much better tank overall.

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The 121 has been at the bottom of statistical data for a WHILE now, can we please see some changes WGW?

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View Postdonny007-THX, on 08 June 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

You 113 owners are relatively happy with this tank?  I just bought it today and it seems like a nice gun and mobility.  Just have not figured out how to block damage.....

 

  Block damage with your ammunition rack :trollface:


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Since Pain’s all mighty spreadsheet says they’re  performing fine the wait will be extensive.

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View PostBloodhound IV, on 08 June 2019 - 04:56 PM, said:

Since Pain’s all mighty spreadsheet says they’re  performing fine the wait will be extensive.

 

It's already been a very long time since the WZ-132-1 and 121 have been worst in class.





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