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Jasonhemperly #81 Posted 29 July 2019 - 03:30 AM

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Read the whole thread and not one person mentioned how the Tvpe 59 and King Dragon have the armaments counting for armor values on the front face, making the turret on both the WZ-120 and 121 effectively worse than the premiums tiers above them, which is actually up to 280mm. No one mentioned the same front plate on the King Dragon and WZ-120, which is alright at Tier VIII, but at IX and X its not stopping anything ever. No one mentioned how the accuracy on the King Dragon is extraordinary, yet the WZ-120 and 121 are not nearly as good, with the WZ-120 actually being abhorrent. The King Dragon is arguably better than both the IX and X and can play tier VI, so one might ask, why are they an "upgrade"? I just put in a ticket in suggestions to see if the turret face can be changed to reflect the King Dragon and Type 59 turret face, and I would love a buff to the depression, ideally to the 7 degrees the King Dragon has, but I'd settle for 5. Actual suggestions would be to remove the 100MM 60-100T and replace it with the 100 MM 62-100T on the WZ-120 tech tree, give the WZ-120 and 121 7 degrees of gun depression. Buff the turret face to match the premium variants, buff the upper front plate on the WZ-120 to 120mm or even better 140mm, buff the upper front plate on the 121 to 140mm, ideally 160mm, and improve the soft gun stats to rival the King Dragon, so that it can actually shoot on the move. All three however could use a tiny hp/wt ratio buff especially with how hard it is to manage gun depression on hills. These changes would make the line far more interesting and enjoyable and give people a real reason to bother with the line... Also just give the 105 MM LC7 to the T-34-2 and I think the tank would be substantially better.

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View PostJasonhemperly, on 28 July 2019 - 08:30 PM, said:

Read the whole thread and not one person mentioned how the Tvpe 59 and King Dragon have the armaments counting for armor values on the front face, making the turret on both the WZ-120 and 121 effectively worse than the premiums tiers above them, which is actually up to 280mm. No one mentioned the same front plate on the King Dragon and WZ-120, which is alright at Tier VIII, but at IX and X its not stopping anything ever. No one mentioned how the accuracy on the King Dragon is extraordinary, yet the WZ-120 and 121 are not nearly as good, with the WZ-120 actually being abhorrent. The King Dragon is arguably better than both the IX and X and can play tier VI, so one might ask, why are they an "upgrade"? I just put in a ticket in suggestions to see if the turret face can be changed to reflect the King Dragon and Type 59 turret face, and I would love a buff to the depression, ideally to the 7 degrees the King Dragon has, but I'd settle for 5. Actual suggestions would be to remove the 100MM 60-100T and replace it with the 100 MM 62-100T on the WZ-120 tech tree, give the WZ-120 and 121 7 degrees of gun depression. Buff the turret face to match the premium variants, buff the upper front plate on the WZ-120 to 120mm or even better 140mm, buff the upper front plate on the 121 to 140mm, ideally 160mm, and improve the soft gun stats to rival the King Dragon, so that it can actually shoot on the move. All three however could use a tiny hp/wt ratio buff especially with how hard it is to manage gun depression on hills. These changes would make the line far more interesting and enjoyable and give people a real reason to bother with the line... Also just give the 105 MM LC7 to the T-34-2 and I think the tank would be substantially better.

 

It's been mentioned before but I highly doubt WG even knows that of the two tier 8 mediums that can block tier 9 TD premium off their turret only one of them even fights tier 10. I would be even more shocked if they care those tanks have better turrets than their TT older siblings. They don't balance premiums especially old ones that aren't making money anymore. We have a lead game designer that believes new tanks should just be flat out better than old ones, and a balance lead who's the embodiment of a 1990s beach bully. Don't set high goals for balance in a team that has a heavily flawed stance on balance. The best you can hope for is a rough copy of PC, and pray it's not the bad parts.

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View Postscwirpeo, on 29 July 2019 - 04:05 AM, said:

 

It's been mentioned before but I highly doubt WG even knows that of the two tier 8 mediums that can block tier 9 TD premium off their turret only one of them even fights tier 10. I would be even more shocked if they care those tanks have better turrets than their TT older siblings. They don't balance premiums especially old ones that aren't making money anymore. We have a lead game designer that believes new tanks should just be flat out better than old ones, and a balance lead who's the embodiment of a 1990s beach bully. Don't set high goals for balance in a team that has a heavily flawed stance on balance. The best you can hope for is a rough copy of PC, and pray it's not the bad parts.

 

Admittedly, I don't have high hopes, but if I didn't submit anything then I can't say I never tried. Plenty of weird stuff in game like the fact the Maus has a 15.4 second reload while the Maushen has EXACTLY the same gun that reloads in 15 seconds... The King Dragon is in line to be the best tier VIII medium in the game. I honestly prefer it to the WZ-120 in even tier 10 matches... I rarely ever load premium rounds on any tank and I still find the gun on the king dragon is plenty sufficient. The stock gun on the WZ-120 though is a laughing stock. It's pathetic. The grind for WZ-120 is genuinely one of the worst in game if you, like me, have only done the Chinese medium line.

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Got the Type 59 though a Long Haul war chest and I'm glad I didn't pay real money for it. I would miss sales on it or I don't have gold when I do see it on sale so although I wanted a Chinese premium for training crews, I've never bought it. Eventually, I won the Legion via an event (Team China!), and bought the King Dragon on sale, so those tanks filled my need for crew training.

 

The Legion, while not great, has a decent turret (aside from the huge tumor) with good gun depression, great view range, good mobility, and a servicable gun. Plus, it trains Chinese and American crews.

 

The KD pretty much obsoleted the Type 59. Great gun, combined with the good things about the 59 makes it one of the better tier 8 tanks. I just need to protect that ammo rack better.

 

Finally took the Type 59 out recently. My god, the gun is trash. Glacial aim time, rubbish accuracy, and mediocre pen. Even with PMM, it's not worth it. I think it needs some buffs.



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Still no comment on Chinese buffs, how many days has it been since the last balance update? Far too many.

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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 20 August 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

Still no comment on Chinese buffs, how many days has it been since the last balance update? Far too many.

MaxChaos actually did post in a thread that he thinks the 121 needs some love. Maybe I can find the link. 



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View PostTeffisk, on 20 August 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

MaxChaos actually did post in a thread that he thinks the 121 needs some love. Maybe I can find the link. 

 

Well it better get some love the next update, otherwise we'll have to wait until 2020 with how slow the updates are coming out.

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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 20 August 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

Well it better get some love the next update, otherwise we'll have to wait until 2020 with how slow the updates are coming out.

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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 20 August 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

Still no comment on Chinese buffs, how many days has it been since the last balance update? Far too many.

 

Hello, if you are interested in reading comments about Chinese tanks, please see: http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/228563-your-daily-chinese-medium-buff-post 

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Tiers VIII and IX need love too, or else few people will get to the 121

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 20 August 2019 - 07:55 AM, said:

 

Hello, if you are interested in reading comments about Chinese tanks, please see: http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/228563-your-daily-chinese-medium-buff-post 

 

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View Postsergeant-slow741, on 20 August 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:

 

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