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Poll: New +1/-1 Matchmaking Event - Poll (253 members have cast votes)

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Are you looking forward to the +1/-1 matchmaking event starting July 2nd?

  1. Yes!! I’m looking forward to it (184 votes [72.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.73%

  2. Undecided (26 votes [10.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.28%

  3. No. Not really (43 votes [17.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.00%

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RaiBOT01 #1 Posted 29 June 2019 - 09:54 AM

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Now that the cat (Not RAIBot01) is out of the bag, are you excited about the +1/-1 matchmaking event starting July 2nd? 

 

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MASHMAN 90 #2 Posted 29 June 2019 - 10:22 AM

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I'm more against it but will help tanks against Poor Penetration.

Pros: Stock/Mid Grinds, Tier 8 MM with Contracts being Tier 9-10 it will help
Cons: Premiums such as the V/IV or Absolution will be even more so as it can't be Bottom Tier which helps them which is BAD

 

Also another Con is that Preferential MM Tanks would be obsolete as why play a KV-5 with 167 pen when you can play a KV-4 with 50-60 more pen, Stronger Armour with Same Matchmaking?

 

Luckily just up for a Week or WG would have to do some SERIOUS Rebalancing. It works on Warships: Legends as game was designed for +1/-1 but Tanks was designed for +2/-2 after they removed +3/-3 (or worse). If it was Permanent then we would have to go back to the way they changed the Light Tanks in Update 4.2? And PMM Vehicles would either have to be Buffed or have +0/-1 MM.



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I guess tier 4 would be the only beneficial tier in this trial.

BoereJack #4 Posted 29 June 2019 - 10:35 AM

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No i am not looking forward to it, and i have not enjoyed it so far(edit). there are several reasons why, and probably some i will forget to mention.

1: it takes away the challenging parts of the game(just like the light tank changes did for lights)doing well and finishing top while being bottomtier is most rewarding and now lost.

2: pref premium tanks will be useless, by not seeing two tiers down anymore..... (can i get them refunded IF THIS -1/+1 stays?)

3: balance will be a thing

and like i said at this moment i forgot some reason because i am a bit angry aboit it, but will edit this post when i have a clear head again

Edit:

4: less xp earned in battles, base xp,

5: if it is a monthly weekend event(just like ranked) i can agree on it.

 

i can agree this mm up till tier 5 so new players can ease in the game, but after that people need to start learning the game.

and also spend some money if the want to be fully competive by buying premium time and start using more premium ammo, so being two tiers down isnt a problem.


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I_TriffNix #5 Posted 29 June 2019 - 10:41 AM

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Lets try it but what u also can do for us is to platoon in a Tier 9 with tier 10 and a only Max platoon of 3 tanks. 

This means:

Platoon +1/-1 Tier Stage

Delete 5 man platoons and gave us a Max of a 3 mans platoon cause if the MM with the +1/-1 will Stay forever this could be   ugly cause a 5 mans platoon with absolution or PZ. V/IV will be to OP for gameplay if they are Top Tier! Also some other Tanks in 5 mans platoon 



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I more worried about getting my gold back for all the pmm tanks I have brought if this new mm was to be implemented permanently. Other then that I'm not fussed if it becomes permanent or not to be completely honest. I'll continue to play wotc either way but if it was to change mm and I don't get my gold back [edited]you wotc

 

Edit The only reason I would want a refund on pmm tanks is because I brought all my pmm tanks under the impression that I wouldn't have to face +2 mm. If +1 - 1 was implemented before me buying said pmm tanks I definitely would not of brought them I would of brought other premium tanks. Its pretty obvious my only and main concern is my pmm tanks and gold I've spent lol. Even if pmm tanks got buffed I still wouldn't want to keep them I would rather of brought a different tank. 



SteampunkPagan #7 Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:16 AM

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Hello,

I think a test is a great idea it will enable WGCB to get some real data & make an educated decision on balance, server numbers, the use of bots & even if it is a good idea. I am all for testing in public/live matches. Though +/-2 does not for the most part bother me I have to remind myself this is a F2P game that is supposed to be fun for all...Not just me & my friends. It has to have many hooks to keep many different players interested for as long as possible thus fun. This is a "quality of life" improvement/test & after all this is a game & games should be fun +/-1 may return the fun to the game.

 

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EDIT:

As for PMM tanks +/-1 does not really effect them since that is what they are balanced for in my personal opinion & I do have many of those at all premium tiers. As an owner I am not upset by this test nor would I be if the change becomes permanent.

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Edited by SteampunkPagan, 29 June 2019 - 11:29 AM.

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Knallteufel 777 #8 Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:23 AM

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Years ago it was my wish. It was rejected. Now is it possible? Why?

And how does WG want to explain why there are PMM premium tanks :coin:



MilitaryGoose05 #9 Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:49 AM

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Tiers IV/V will be dominated by the Pz ViV.


Tiers VI/VII will be dominated by the Absolution.

 

Tiers V/VI will probably become Absolution vs Pz ViV slugfests.

 

 

And what about my PMM tanks? Why did I buy those if every tank now has PMM?



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I'm really looking forward to it, i think especially t8 will be more fun to play. Stock grinds will be better and it will be easier for new players not to play with +2mm. I think it also could bring back players. 

 

But what happens to pmm tanks?

My suggestion is +1/-1 for normal tanks as planned.

+2/-1 for light tanks 

+0/-1 for tanks with pmm

 

Otherwise all pmm tanks would need a change and we all know how the community reacts when premium tanks get changed. 

Some other tt tanks might need changes as well. 


 

                             

 

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View PostSteampunkPagan, on 29 June 2019 - 01:16 PM, said:

As for PMM tanks +/-1 does not really effect them since that is what they are balanced for in my personal opinion...

This is no longer true when TT tanks receive PPM. Which tank would you prefer? Tiger 131 or Tiger 1?  Just an example.



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We have to remember it's just a test. My clans opinions vary on the pros and cons. Maybe like some have mentioned already it might just want to be a lower tiered implementation to help newer players grasp and enjoy the game more. But with that said we have alot of veterans that hang in the lower tiered areas already and this will just benefit them more so. Some of those OP tanks in game could be made so they are never top tier and the PMM tanks that makes sense should be top tier to keep their significance?? I agree with alot of comments from everyone that I've read that balancing changes will have to be made but going about is gonna make some happy and anger others. But with 1 out 5 threads posted daily on these forums is players bashing Wargamings MM so no one can blame Wargamings attempts at trying to help fix MM. I like the challenge of MM as it is in my opinion. Its definitely needs tweaks to avoid those blow out line ups we've all noticed were one team has a significant line up advantage. I wouldn't mind longer Q times per battle just to get more balanced lineups as far as like for likes. This is just my simple minded opinions

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View PostKnallteufel 777, on 29 June 2019 - 06:53 AM, said:

This is no longer true when TT tanks receive PPM. Which tank would you prefer? Tiger 131 or Tiger 1?  Just an example. 

Both I play premiums for crews & silver nothing more or less for me this test/change will not effect how or when I play premiums or TT tanks.

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View PostKnallteufel 777, on 29 June 2019 - 11:53 AM, said:

This is no longer true when TT tanks receive PPM. Which tank would you prefer? Tiger 131 or Tiger 1?  Just an example.

 

Tiger 1 for me, I don't like Tiger 131.

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View PostSteampunkPagan, on 29 June 2019 - 11:56 AM, said:

Both I play premiums for crews & silver nothing more or less for me this test/change will not effect how or when I play premiums or TT.

Thank,

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I agree with you to a point. I have premium tanks that are for training crews and sliver bonus. But as far as pmm tanks I personally brought my one's in particular so I wouldnt have +2 mm on them tanks. Why would I buy a type 59 when I could pay a bit extra and get the king dragon. In all honesty I would of brought the kd over the type 59 if +1 - 1 was  implemented before I paid for my type 59. I'm not against the new mm if it was to be changeed. Im honestly not fussed but this is In reference if it was to be a permanent change in the future. There's a clear difference between premium tanks and pmm tanks. 

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I’m looking forward to it..... but only as a special event.  I enjoy the challenge of +2 MM and the satisfaction of taking down bigger tanks.

There should be a follow up poll or email survey to ask how everyone felt about it.

MIGHTYxxWhiteee #17 Posted 29 June 2019 - 01:00 PM

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Can’t wait. I hope this gets positive reviews. But there are people who will always complain no matter what. 

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View PostBrogueOne, on 29 June 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:

I’m looking forward to it..... but only as a special event. I enjoy the challenge of +2 MM and the satisfaction of taking down bigger tanks.

There should be a follow up poll or email survey to ask how everyone felt about it.

 

This...plus feedback from WG within a reasonable period after event (not a month :( )

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Wondering if there's any active Mercenary contracts that will be impacted by +/- 1.

Cruncher would be but not active (detail below)

Thought there was at least one more contract like this. 

Stage 5

  • Deal Damage totaling at least 1X your max health in 4 battles
  • Destroy 1 or more vehicles 2 tiers higher than you
  • Earn 36000 or more XP in any number of battles

 

If +/- 1 sticks certain medals will also become very hard to get.:)

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Orlik's Medal

Awarded for destroying three or more enemy tanks or tank destroyers with a light tank. The targets must be at least two tiers higher than the player's tank.

 

 

 

 

As a general comment, +/- 1 reduces the number/variety of scenarios we'll face - not a good thing. Playing bottom tier when facing mostly +2 opponents is very different from playing against mostly +1's and requires a different play style. To BrogueOne`s point, pulling off a good game at -2 is a job well done. And when you're +2 top tier life is really great!

Ah well , interesting times at WOT :) 

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Edited by YoungestBike679, 29 June 2019 - 02:08 PM.


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Myself and some clans mates (who I've spoken to about this issue) are excited for this experiment.  It potentially could fix matchmaking.   Will there be other issues, maybe, but, that is why this is only a test.    I remember seeing numerous threads begging for this matchmaking, now, I see more negatives.   I say give it a try and see what happens!   





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