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Poll: New +1/-1 Matchmaking Event - Poll (253 members have cast votes)

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Are you looking forward to the +1/-1 matchmaking event starting July 2nd?

  1. Yes!! I’m looking forward to it (184 votes [72.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.73%

  2. Undecided (26 votes [10.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.28%

  3. No. Not really (43 votes [17.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.00%

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killer etzi0 #41 Posted 29 June 2019 - 06:23 PM

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View PostHuncho_Mystic, on 29 June 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

Very excited about this test

It seem like a no brainer and that +1/-1 should have been implemented from the start.  It solves so many MM issues and will make the game more enjoyable for many players.  

 

easier doesnt always equate to enjoyable 

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BrogueOne #42 Posted 29 June 2019 - 06:48 PM

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View Postkiller etzi0, on 29 June 2019 - 06:23 PM, said:

 

easier doesnt always equate to enjoyable 

It’s also subjective. If a particular player feels that they’re “always bottom tier” and it frustrates them, giving them the chance to mitigate that frustration will translate into what they feel like is more enjoyable.  In Mystic’s case(he’s in my Clan) too much bottom tier MM is his #1 source of frustration and he’s 100% going to enjoy this test. It’s still just a test/special event at this time....... might be a good candidate for a quarterly event though!

 

What would be far less subjective(or enjoyable) would be the implications of a permanent change. If it had always been +1/-1 from day-one we wouldn’t be having this discussion, but such a fundamental change to MM would result in across the board balance changes(that means mostly Nerfs) to pretty much every single vehicle in the game.  In the end it’s a “be careful what you wish for” scenario.



XEboi #43 Posted 29 June 2019 - 06:50 PM

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Yes looking forward to not getting deathstared in my patton kr or isu130

It's works the other way aswell stomping tier 6's in my scorpion is no fun for me or them I sometimes feel sorry for bottom teir tanks

Take two players same skill same skilled crews both firing standard ammo one in a e75 other in a is2, the e75 can pretty much Park infront of is2 & rip him a new one

I've taken down teir 10's in some tier 8 rubbish tank we all have them kills that legends are made of but this mm change hopefully makes the game a fairer place for everyone

Wowsl has -1+1 & I don't even notice if I'm bottom tier because there's not a massive power diffance between the tiers, the worst in wot 8 v 10's massive jump

If this is bought in as permanent then I'm sure there will have to be some balancing of tanks, like what happens to my kv5? Etc

SGT Rock 1963 #44 Posted 29 June 2019 - 06:52 PM

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Considering all my grinds that need completed, Are 9's and 10's, I'm ok with it. If I was just starting out, With less xp being made. Then I'd be a little undecided.

 


                                                                                                               

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MASHMAN 90 #45 Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:00 PM

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Someone on Twitter sent me this (Before i forget):

 

World of tanks Blitz did the +1/-1 a long time ago
To compensate most premium tanks, instead of a buff, they all received a new researchable gun for 100exp.
The newer gun had a slower rof but more more penetration. For example kv5. 167 to 219 avg pen
7.77 sec reload to 9.81

 



MASHMAN 90 #46 Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:00 PM

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MASHMAN 90 #47 Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:01 PM

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moeggsy #48 Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:54 PM

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All we can do is try it and share our thoughts at the end:B

Warsteiner 1 #49 Posted 29 June 2019 - 08:06 PM

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Love this !!!! PLEASE make it the norm !

 

 


Knallteufel 777 #50 Posted 29 June 2019 - 08:26 PM

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That would be great.

Edited by Knallteufel 777, 30 June 2019 - 05:45 PM.


BigBoreBatallio #51 Posted 29 June 2019 - 08:37 PM

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From my rather short WoTC career (3 yrs) as compared to many of us tankers who have been in the game since inception, I myself have experienced the struggles of the current system. I'm all for running this test in order to see if there is a way to make MM better.

 

Is it the only means to help stabilize the game? Of course not! It is one of many avenues that should be tried. Another is the bots at Tiers I-III to get players trained to a point where they're are more a part of any team.

 

Maybe giving this an open-minded trial and waiting to see where the data leads is what had been needed for a long time.

 

Just my thoughts...


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Hallowed PRIEST #52 Posted 29 June 2019 - 08:42 PM

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This is a possible change in what is one of the most argued aspects of this game, MM. Now this thread has pointed out the good, the bad, and while not ugly, neutral points of view on this subject. It will not please all, nothing does, already complaining about OP tanks that can be killed, but you cant carry or win every time. I want to have fun with tanks I enjoy. Since I dont want to grind anymore, I still think this helps those that are, not being double down helps with fun and the ability to damage most of what you shoot. If you drive 9-10, this change really doesnt do anything adversely to your game. If you seal club for Wn8, well, I have nothing for you, you probably can still do this with no problem. I play tanks I know I can, but play more so the tanks I cannot for the challenge, but I hate double down MM, just a variable that is hard to account for. So when this test concludes I hope it changes some of the problems with MM, either way I wont stop playing due to this issue.

WreckageUK #53 Posted 29 June 2019 - 08:45 PM

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I was originally excited for it but now having had time to think things over I'm undecided.

 

I think as a temporary measure to fix the matchmaking that has probably been thrown out by certain ops and contracts it could be good. But I would prefer proper balancing and fixes over this as a permanent solution. 

 

For starters I would drop the IX-X final stage requirements of the higher tier contracts to include tier VIII, I feel as though the reason we see so many bottom tier games is because people are forced into the two highest tiers to complete them. 

 

I would also push the Pz. V/IV and Absolution up a tier and then nerd the pen of the deathstar hesh round down to 240.



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View PostWreckageUK, on 29 June 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

I was originally excited for it but now having had time to think things over I'm undecided.

 

I think as a temporary measure to fix the matchmaking that has probably been thrown out by certain ops and contracts it could be good. But I would prefer proper balancing and fixes over this as a permanent solution. 

 

For starters I would drop the IX-X final stage requirements of the higher tier contracts to include tier VIII, I feel as though the reason we see so many bottom tier games is because people are forced into the two highest tiers to complete them. 

 

I would also push the Pz. V/IV and Absolution up a tier and then nerd the pen of the deathstar hesh round down to 240.

 

If you bump both the 5/4 and the Abso up a tier in a +/-1 system it would be fine since I get T7s about 70% of the time in my 5/4, but I dont see it as a MM issue, rather a lack of knowledge on how to kill them. Both can be hit in the turret, the Abso has the biggest nipple since the Patton, both can be tracked and hit in the weak lower plate evn at range. As far as HESH, that has nothing to do with MM. I do agree with 8s should not see 10s.

John Arrowsmith #55 Posted 29 June 2019 - 09:18 PM

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Is this seriously the attempt at fixing lopsided mm you have been hyping up for a long time?  

 

Sugar coating something that needs sorted isn't the answer 


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View PostYouMadBro413, on 29 June 2019 - 03:26 PM, said:

I have heard the Pro's and Con's and both sides have valid points. But I would like to actually try it out and see how it plays.

I totally agree with you! We won't really know until the test is complete and data analyzed! This is only one part of the total equation!


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View PostBert Raccoon80, on 29 June 2019 - 03:28 PM, said:

I think its good to have the test to collect data and make an informed decision.  I also think +1/-1 could work and be good for the game if implemented well, it would require some balance changes I am guessing and there will be players unhappy about pmm tanks so these are things that should be looked at as well

 

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View PostPontiac Pat, on 29 June 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

Will a matchmaking chart for the test be published?  Something like what I posted in my thread?  I'll copy it here.
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I would certainly hope so!


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View PostHallowed PRIEST, on 29 June 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

 

If you bump both the 5/4 and the Abso up a tier in a +/-1 system it would be fine since I get T7s about 70% of the time in my 5/4, but I dont see it as a MM issue, rather a lack of knowledge on how to kill them. Both can be hit in the turret, the Abso has the biggest nipple since the Patton, both can be tracked and hit in the weak lower plate evn at range. As far as HESH, that has nothing to do with MM. I do agree with 8s should not see 10s.

 

Many tanks at tiers 4 & 5 simply don't have the pen or accuracy to consistently pen the nipple on the absolution when it's stationary, let alone when it's rushing you with 950 hp. It has the hull of a Pz. V/M10 and so should be put in the same tier as that.

 

As for the suggestion on Hesh, that is just to alleviate the complaints from tier 8 drivers about getting nuked so easily when facing tier 10. Personally I hate facing the BC 25 T more than a deathstar. 



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I really appreciate that it will be tested first.  It gives people a chance to see what it sort of will be like and to give feedback.  

 

But, I hope WG also takes the opportunity to rebalance everything and I mean everything.  This is a significant change to the game and at the same time, gives a great opportunity to turn away from anything done in the past.  It would be a big undertaking to rebalance every tank and a lot of individuals may be upset about some of their premium tanks here or there, but this is an opportunity to redraw the balance board and do it better.  Move tanks between tiers, reconsider packages, and rebalance penetration, alpha, vision, and movement.  This could be a reboot of sorts if done right.    


 






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