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HAIR OOH INN #41 Posted 13 July 2019 - 06:43 PM

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If the waffle and 183 r removed I don’t see how that would balance anything? Since tier 8 won’t have to fave them it’s does nothing for balance ! 

PlUs id like a heads up so we can play are beloved tanks before they get taken ! :( 



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tunnelvision78 #42 Posted 15 July 2019 - 12:53 PM

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View PostMarisBrizga, on 12 July 2019 - 03:53 PM, said:

Hi, the only thing I can say about +-1 matchmaking - that was so boring even in one week period so I hope it is not gonna be a permanent change. I had so many one tier battles in which one there is no challenge. This is why I play the game so I can have the challenge that's why it is interesting. with +-1 matchmaking there was a lot of same games. No satisfaction to beat up some tier 10 tank with your 8 or no satisfaction when you are top tier and can be dominant on lower tiers. +-1 is good maybe for people who start the game or who not so skilled at the game yet. +-1 matchmaking is so generic as most things nowadays that everyone needs to be given a fair chance. I am not the skilled person at this game but challenges push me to get better to play better. But with +-1 matchmaking push me to turn off the game. I am for changes but for changes which make the game better which is not a case this time. probably not the most popular opinion this time but my opinion which wargaming said that they want to hear.

 

 

Your most played tanks are tier 9 and 10?? You mostly play +1 / -2 match making with tier 9 and +0 / -2 at tier 10... So, how boring is that??

Andy8097 #43 Posted 15 July 2019 - 01:44 PM

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This is late, but I also support the -1/+1 MM.  It seemed like I was able to contribute more to to my team instead of just being a shot sponge for reds.  I felt pretty good about the new system.  Then the next week one of the first matches I was in was and all red T8 team against a green team with eleven T8, three T7, and one T6 (Me).  I remember thinking, oh well it was fun while it lasted.  I vote to keep the -1/+1 change to the match maker


Angulus55 #44 Posted 20 July 2019 - 03:56 PM

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Hey, 

I would vote for the +1-1 MM. I think there 's nothing more boring,  grinding new tanks and play -2. Maybe unis have fun with it but I would say the majority of players hate it, too. 

Or playing the defender,  I love the tank but the mm is so boring.  Having +-1 makes the maaaany low tier games easier. 

 



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View Posttunnelvision78, on 15 July 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

Your most played tanks are tier 9 and 10?? You mostly play +1 / -2 match making with tier 9 and +0 / -2 at tier 10... So, how boring is that??

I consult the profiles with each comment against + 1 / -1. All those who prefer the +/- 2 (except for only 1 player) are either players who play a lot at level 9 and X, or experts in team seal-clubbing. The reason is easy to understand. In short, I think the majority of comments in favor of + 2 / -2 are invalid.

 

WG should also consult the player profiles before deciding if a comment is valid or not, they would surprise.


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View PostSightlessRogue0, on 21 July 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:

I consult the profiles with each comment against + 1 / -1. All those who prefer the +/- 2 (except for only 1 player) are either players who play a lot at level 9 and X, or experts in team seal-clubbing. The reason is easy to understand. In short, I think the majority of comments in favor of + 2 / -2 are invalid.

 

WG should also consult the player profiles before deciding if a comment is valid or not, they would surprise.

 

It's sad that you think you have the right to completely disregard the opinions of people who disagree with you.  Pathetic, actually.



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View PostTransparentBlue, on 21 July 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

 

It's sad that you think you have the right to completely disregard the opinions of people who disagree with you.  Pathetic, actually.

 

I hypothesized: is it possible that the people who hold the most - / + 2 are precisely those who are almost always in the top tier? The - / + 1 taking them off easy points to harvest.

 

I quickly realized that I had a bull-eye, easy to check: look what are their most used tanks and in which tier.


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View PostTransparentBlue, on 21 July 2019 - 12:41 AM, said:

 

It's sad that you think you have the right to completely disregard the opinions of people who disagree with you.  Pathetic, actually.

 


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View PostTransparentBlue, on 21 July 2019 - 12:41 AM, said:

 

It's sad that you think you have the right to completely disregard the opinions of people who disagree with you.  Pathetic, actually.

 

Can't face the truth BRO ?
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View PostSightlessRogue0, on 21 July 2019 - 10:04 AM, said:

 

I hypothesized: is it possible that the people who hold the most - / + 2 are precisely those who are almost always in the top tier? The - / + 1 taking them off easy points to harvest.

 

I quickly realized that I had a bull-eye, easy to check: look what are their most used tanks and in which tier.

 

YOU'VE played about 2500! games in the premium E25 TD and you're trying to make issue about my 450 or so in the Churchill III?

 

You play the most notorious seal clubber in the game as your primary occupation!

 

Your opinion is now worth exactly NOTHING to me.  



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View PostSightlessRogue0, on 21 July 2019 - 02:04 AM, said:

 

I hypothesized: is it possible that the people who hold the most - / + 2 are precisely those who are almost always in the top tier? The - / + 1 taking them off easy points to harvest.

 

I quickly realized that I had a bull-eye, easy to check: look what are their most used tanks and in which tier.

 

Not helping!


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I think it's worth pointing out that tier 9 has the longest grind, especially where it branches to more than one tank. Also anyone who has been trying to complete one of the higher tiered contracts will likely have to spend a lot of time at those tiers to meet the requirement. I'm not sure that should or could invalidate anyones opinion. 

 

I also have earned well over a million xp in the Churchill III - it's a great iconic tank and one of the best Russian crew trainers. I didn't consider it clubbing at the time. I still break out the old girl sometimes...

 

I see points both for and against +1/-1 mm, but after 300+ weeks in the game of +2 and only one week of +1, I would like a longer test.

 

I'm not sure that the 3 paragraphs above are linked, but maybe I have just double invalidated my opinion. I'm not sure whether that makes it more valid! 

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View PostTransparentBlue, on 21 July 2019 - 05:57 PM, said:

 

YOU'VE played about 2500! games in the premium E25 TD and you're trying to make issue about my 450 or so in the Churchill III?

 

You play the most notorious seal clubber in the game as your primary occupation!

 

Your opinion is now worth exactly NOTHING to me.  

 

I was talking mostly about lvl 10 (I did not think it was necessary to specify it). For the E25 .... I like this little TD reagent, simply.

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View PostSightlessRogue0, on 21 July 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:

I consult the profiles with each comment against + 1 / -1. All those who prefer the +/- 2 (except for only 1 player) are either players who play a lot at level 9 and X, or experts in team seal-clubbing. The reason is easy to understand. In short, I think the majority of comments in favor of + 2 / -2 are invalid.

 

WG should also consult the player profiles before deciding if a comment is valid or not, they would surprise.

 

Interesting, I have also followed those who are against 1 tier MM and they seem to be players with great stats. I suspect that their pattern of playstyle (not all) are exploitive (and they are within their rights) to those of lower tiers and experience, which is facillitated by the MM. I am of the view that the "Apex Predator gamestyle" contriibutes to a high prevalence of RNG in an attempt to balance the game. I am not a fan of the RNG percentage used in WOT and am sure that most players would prefer it to be less intrusive. I believe +1 -1 can reduce RNG game manipulation. 

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There is no good reason not to permanently use +1/-1

I like playing multiple tiers, 5-10, it actually makes it possible to do so with the +1/-1

The only people this does not make game playing better for is the guys who in live in tier 10, wrecks stats, no tier 8’s too K’s

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Thank you WG for the 1-/+ trial.  I found it very different with 2 observations - WG has the data to see if true:

1) The number of lopsided battles decreased.  Only a few battles, were the winning side had lost 4 or less tanks.

2) More battles against similar tanks, ie about the same Tier 9 heavies against Tier 9 heavies.

 

Thus, it felt like it was more skilled based vs luck of the lobby. 



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View Postgregori190, on 22 July 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

 

Interesting, I have also followed those who are against 1 tier MM and they seem to be players with great stats. I suspect that their pattern of playstyle (not all) are exploitive (and they are within their rights) to those of lower tiers and experience, which is facillitated by the MM. I am of the view that the "Apex Predator gamestyle" contriibutes to a high prevalence of RNG in an attempt to balance the game. I am not a fan of the RNG percentage used in WOT and am sure that most players would prefer it to be less intrusive. I believe +1 -1 can reduce RNG game manipulation. 

 

I concur gregori190.  I do recall some of the discussed complexity of "balancing" a tank.

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View PostSightlessRogue0, on 21 July 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:

I consult the profiles with each comment against + 1 / -1. All those who prefer the +/- 2 (except for only 1 player) are either players who play a lot at level 9 and X, or experts in team seal-clubbing. The reason is easy to understand. In short, I think the majority of comments in favor of + 2 / -2 are invalid.

 

WG should also consult the player profiles before deciding if a comment is valid or not, they would surprise.

 

After the reintroduction of +/-2, I am now much in favour of it. I rarely play Tier iX or X, do not platoon, am not one of the better players.... but I do sometimes drop to Tier IV, although not often as most ops like Long Haul need V+.

I think my comments should be as valid as any other.



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From the comments here and from others it appears the +1 camp has a huge lead.  I will be the first to admit, I love playing my tier 10's.  So I can always be top tier, and stomp on the the tier 8's.  But even other long term players as myself, have to concede that for the long term good of the game we need to make the game fairer.  +2 is kinda like playing chess but one guy starts the game with an extra queen.  To make the game less fair and more random you could have +3 match making.  Or you could go the other way,+1.  

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Heaps of people seem to like the +1 match making. The mob is on the right track.
Resounding positivity.
Makes the tier 8 premiums less sh!tty so WG will be happy selling more.
I played more that weekend than I have in more than a year, the games felt more balanced and fun.
And I felt way less depressed going in at low tier. That's a bit part of the fun factor.

Absolutely +1

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