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STUART SHERMAN #1 Posted 18 July 2019 - 02:39 PM

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With all the goings on about +2/-2 and the movement toward +1/-1 I thought I'd record my own experience. I'm going track my tier placement over the course of several days, and record the date, server, tank, type, tier, placement, win-loss, post game rank, kills, and damage. Tiers V thru VIII will be my focus for this purpose, but I will add tier IX results as a side bar since they can arguably be Top, Middle, or Bottom tier, but they cannot be -2. If anyone else would like to do the same I'd love to see your results.

 

Day 1, July 17

 

24 rounds played, 19 N/A server, 5EU server

One Tier VIII round was all VIIIs and recorded as Top tier. 4 matches only involved 2 tiers, 2 were recorded as Top, 2 as Bottom. Two matches on EU were 8v8, one was 10v10, and one was 11v11. 

 

MM Placement

 

Overall

Top tier       13 

Middle tier    3

Bottom tier   8 

 

By Tier 

        Top          Middle         Bottom

V        1               0                  1

VI       5               0                  5

VII      1               2                  0

VIII     6               1                  2

 

Tier IX  

Top         1 

Middle     2 

Bottom    2

 

By Type

                  Top          Middle         Bottom

Heavy          3                1                 1

Medium        3                1                 4 

Light             0                0                 1

TD                6                0                 3

Arty              0                0                 1

 

Wins and Losses

 

Overall 

Wins     13

Losses  11

 

Tier IX   

Wins      4

Losses   1

 

Win/Loss by MM Placement

Top         7 wins, 6 losses

Middle    3 wins, 0 losses

Bottom   3 wins, 5 losses

 

Tier IX

Top         1 win, 0 losses

Middle    2 wins, 0 losses

Bottom   1 win, 1 loss

 

Kills

 

Overall 28

 

Kills by Tier

V       2

VI     10

VII     6

VIII   10

 

Tier IX 

4 kills

 

Kills by MM placement

Top         20

Middle     4

Bottom    4

 

Tier IX

Top         1

Middle    3

Bottom   0

 

 

 


                                   

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donny007-THX #2 Posted 18 July 2019 - 02:47 PM

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Outstanding Commander Data!  :trollface:

 

WGCB should give you access to a server to capture the data and report out.  Nice job.


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Roadied You #3 Posted 18 July 2019 - 02:55 PM

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Which tanks though? Because preferential matchmaking tanks will flaw the data.

CatSnipah #4 Posted 18 July 2019 - 03:17 PM

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If ppl really did this and didnt lie about it, theyd be surprised that their gripe about "always being bottom tier" is nothing more than recency bias. 

 

Trick is, you have to do it over more than 1 session. 

 

I did it over a year ago. Tracked all my sessions over three weeks (limited time, so was only 9 or 10 sessions, if I recall). Periods where 80%+ in mid or top, periods where 75% mid or bottom.

 

Was eye opening. 



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View PostCatSnipah, on 18 July 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

If ppl really did this and didnt lie about it, theyd be surprised that their gripe about "always being bottom tier" is nothing more than recency bias. 

 

Trick is, you have to do it over more than 1 session. 

 

I did it over a year ago. Tracked all my sessions over three weeks (limited time, so was only 9 or 10 sessions, if I recall). Periods where 80%+ in mid or top, periods where 75% mid or bottom.

 

Was eye opening. 

 

me and a friend bought a Tier 8 TD and platooned last night, during peak hours of 7,000 players.

 

The first 5 games we were facing X's, and the next 3 were Tier 9's and/or X's.

 

It's supposed to guarantee you top tier on your 3rd game after being bottom tier for 2.



STUART SHERMAN #6 Posted 18 July 2019 - 04:01 PM

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View PostRoadie Bone Her, on 18 July 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

Which tanks though? Because preferential matchmaking tanks will flaw the data.

 

Thanks for bringing that up. No PMM tanks will be used for this data. 

                                   

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STUART SHERMAN #7 Posted 18 July 2019 - 04:10 PM

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View Postdonny007-THX, on 18 July 2019 - 09:47 AM, said:

Outstanding Commander Data!  :trollface:

 

WGCB should give you access to a server to capture the data and report out.  Nice job.

 

I’ll admit to being a freak about data, charts, and graphs. 

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View PostRoadie Bone Her, on 18 July 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

 

me and a friend bought a Tier 8 TD and platooned last night, during peak hours of 7,000 players.

 

The first 5 games we were facing X's, and the next 3 were Tier 9's and/or X's.

 

It's supposed to guarantee you top tier on your 3rd game after being bottom tier for 2.

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the mercy rule was to guarantee you top tier after two consecutive losses while downtier.  Not just two matches as bottom.

 

Also, I know the mercy rule is "if server traffic supports it", so that can be very time dependent.  You might not get any mercy rule matches at 4:15AM EST.



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View PostCatSnipah, on 18 July 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

If ppl really did this and didnt lie about it, theyd be surprised that their gripe about "always being bottom tier" is nothing more than recency bias. 

 

Trick is, you have to do it over more than 1 session. 

 

I did it over a year ago. Tracked all my sessions over three weeks (limited time, so was only 9 or 10 sessions, if I recall). Periods where 80%+ in mid or top, periods where 75% mid or bottom.

 

Was eye opening. 

 

I too did this a couple years ago, certain I’d find I was bottom tier over half the time. To my surprise after several hundred matches the numbers pretty much evened out. 

I also discovered that I can suck even when top tier. 

 :D:D

 


                                   

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View PostRoadie Bone Her, on 18 July 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

 

me and a friend bought a Tier 8 TD and platooned last night, during peak hours of 7,000 players.

 

The first 5 games we were facing X's, and the next 3 were Tier 9's and/or X's.

 

It's supposed to guarantee you top tier on your 3rd game after being bottom tier for 2.

 

View PostTransparentBlue, on 18 July 2019 - 04:15 PM, said:

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the mercy rule was to guarantee you top tier after two consecutive losses while downtier.  Not just two matches as bottom.

 

Also, I know the mercy rule is "if server traffic supports it", so that can be very time dependent.  You might not get any mercy rule matches at 4:15AM EST.

 

Please provide links to these rules, or where someone from WG spoke to them (not that you can always take this as total valudation).

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View PostSTUART SHERMAN, on 18 July 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:

 

I too did this a couple years ago, certain I’d find I was bottom tier over half the time. To my surprise after several hundred matches the numbers pretty much evened out. 

I also discovered that I can suck even when top tier. 

 :D:D

 

 

Preach!

 

If I was always consistent, I'd not bounce between light blue, blue and purple through the course of a weekend!!

 

Heck, many nights I'm green after my first 5 games, then get "serious" lol.



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View PostCatSnipah, on 18 July 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

If ppl really did this and didnt lie about it, theyd be surprised that their gripe about "always being bottom tier" is nothing more than recency bias. 

 

Trick is, you have to do it over more than 1 session. 

 

I did it over a year ago. Tracked all my sessions over three weeks (limited time, so was only 9 or 10 sessions, if I recall). Periods where 80%+ in mid or top, periods where 75% mid or bottom.

 

Was eye opening. 

 

A very long time ago I felt like I was getting bottom tier all the time, so I did this too.....and never stopped.  I have 4+ years of battle logs.  :hiding:

 

I was really surprised at how often my Valentine II ended up top tier...like every time.  It was a "new tanker" bundle and I had no idea PMM was a thing.

 

 

 



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View PostRELIC x, on 18 July 2019 - 04:37 PM, said:

 

A very long time ago I felt like I was getting bottom tier all the time, so I did this too.....and never stopped.  I have 4+ years of battle logs.  :hiding:

 

I was really surprised at how often my Valentine II ended up top tier...like every time.  It was a "new tanker" bundle and I had no idea PMM was a thing.

 

 

 

 

lol

 

Yeah, I am not exactly hesitant to share my opinions or point out where I see WG executing poorly, opportunities to improve, etc. So I felt it important to acknowledge that this wasn't as big of an issue as I originally thought.

 

Now, I still hold that the mm protocols are busted as humpty dumpty after he fell off the wall, mind you. 



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I recorded mine for a few sessions and it pretty much was even. I keep meaning to have a session at tier 8 only and record that
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Update, after six days and 66 matches, at various times, and both servers these are my numbers so far.

                  Top              Mid            Low

Day 1          13                3                 8

Day 2           3                 5                 3

Day 3           5                 1                 2

Day 4           2                 2                 3

Day 5           2                 3                 1

Day 6           2                 4                 4

                   27               18               21

 

I played tier VIII almost exclusively during the tier X Op this past weekend, and it went 

Top 5

Mid 5

Low 4

 

 

    


                                   

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Played Leo PTA on Saturday in 23 games. Top Tier 4 times. Then I found out about the x2 Silver T10 event. Stopped playing Tier 9 till it finishes.

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View PostTea-boi, on 22 July 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

Played Leo PTA on Saturday in 23 games. Top Tier 4 times. Then I found out about the x2 Silver T10 event. Stopped playing Tier 9 till it finishes.

 

I was playing Friday morning and won my first match. Cool, I'm thinking this might be a good day. Seven straight losses later I decided to play Warships for a while. Then looking at my stats I see that I'd gone 2 and 12 over the course of 14 consecutive matches. The two I won I was low tier, go figure. 

                                   

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Just remember, you’re always bottom tier until you aren’t.

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View PostRoadied You, on 18 July 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

 

me and a friend bought a Tier 8 TD and platooned last night, during peak hours of 7,000 players.

 

The first 5 games we were facing X's, and the next 3 were Tier 9's and/or X's.

 

It's supposed to guarantee you top tier on your 3rd game after being bottom tier for 2.

 

I have tracked MM on a couple of occasions with hundreds of games.  Top tier has averaged out to about 25% of the time, middle tier 40%, bottom tier 35%.

 

At least in my case, it is no wear near to being evenly distributed.



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The mercy rule is simply that you can’t be bottom tier 3 matches in a row in the same tank I believe.  After 2, you get top OR mid.  If you play a different tank I think it resets because I have gotten bottoms for the same tank 3 times in a row (for that tank) but played another tank between the matches.

There is no top tier guarantee for regular mm tanks.  I’ve gone 10, 10, 9 in tier 8’s before plenty of times.  




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