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[John Arrowsmith]

Wg,   is any performance data available for this tank yet?   

 

Supertesters,    did you get to test this tank?   

 

 

 

Having played a good amount of games in it now,  my opinion is it's blatantly op.   Clearly the best T10 medium in the game.  Perhaps the type 5 medium should be buffed to machine levels.

[FusionStar287]

I've said it before, but the Machine is only "blatantly OP" in the hands of a good player, while at the same time worse players are better off in most other tier X heavies and mediums. It's a tank with a very high skill ceiling but a very low skill floor, and while it might still be too good currently it's not too good by a very large a margin.

[radonism]

It goes 64 kph

Has a Chieftain turret

50B chassis

Pre-nerf TVP autoloader

 

What could possibly be OP about that!? 

 

it's a hate mail generator though. Got a salty message in my second game and one more in the 6th. 

 

John got my little 13-90 earlier. Poor thing didn't stand a chance. Went from full health to no health in the blink of an eye. 

 

This thing shouldn't see tier 8's. Period. Maybe that's a solution. NMM (negative match making) for Machine, Deathstar, Waffle etc. and leave +2/-2 for all the normal tanks. 

 

[MaxChaos24]

It's performing only average. 

[redshadowrider]

In tier 10, something needs to be op....being top tier and all.  Might as well be this one.  

[x_BAlN_x]

MaxChaos24, on 19 July 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

It's performing only average. 

 

That's my fault. I'm way too crazy in it.

Edited by x_BAlN_x, 19 July 2019 - 03:57 PM.

[John Arrowsmith]

MaxChaos24, on 19 July 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's performing only average. 

 

Wow,   the last thing it needs is a buff.

[Shockwave IIC]

MaxChaos24, on 19 July 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's performing only average. 

 

Yeah, sorry about that, still getting to grips with it. 

[ABAOUIA]

MaxChaos24, on 19 July 2019 - 04:48 PM, said:

It's performing only average. 

 

Nice :€

 

How is the Waffle doing ?

[Schiavoser]

There's no good reason for the Machine to have the Czech cannon that performs better than any Czech cannon anymore. It's just totally out of place. The Machine intraclip reload speed should be identical to the TVP T 50/51. The Machine would still be an OP tank, but at least the parts would make sense.

[CatSnipah]

Well that settles it. Buff inbound. 

[Koneko Da Best]

John Arrowsmith, on 19 July 2019 - 09:22 AM, said:

Wg,   is any performance data available for this tank yet?   

 

Supertesters,    did you get to test this tank?   

 

 

 

Having played a good amount of games in it now,  my opinion is it's blatantly op.   Clearly the best T10 medium in the game.  Perhaps the type 5 medium should be buffed to machine levels.

 

I 3 marked it and honestly doesn't really feel OP I think it can be situationally but overall not OP. Although I do think that if they decide to keep it as is they should undo all previous nerfs to the TVP

Edited by Koneko Da Best, 19 July 2019 - 04:35 PM.

[ArKenemyxX]

While I only have a 2400 wn8 in it for some reason with average 2900 damage in it my survival rate is way down cause I get into trouble cause I get all alone at the start but I fixed that. The tank is OP but WG's data says it's not. 64.94 win rate. Quit hiding behind your spreadsheet data. It's the best heavium in the game^^

 

10

The Machine

64.94%

77

22.08%

1.26

2.27

2,992

1.64

88.30%

1812.78

2446.58

[Schiavoser]

Koneko Da Best, on 19 July 2019 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

I 3 marked it and honestly doesn't really feel OP I think it can be situationally but overall not OP. Although I do think that if they decide to keep it as is they should undo all previous nerfs to the TVP

 

That wouldn't be my favorite solution, but at least it would make it consistent.

[FusionStar287]

Schiavoser, on 19 July 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

There's no good reason for the Machine to have the Czech cannon that performs better than any Czech cannon anymore. It's just totally out of place. The Machine intraclip reload speed should be identical to the TVP T 50/51. The Machine would still be an OP tank, but at least the parts would make sense.

I'd much rather see the T50/51's gun buffed (or un-nerfed) to the stats of the Machine's gun rather than the other way around to be honest.

[ProngHorn134]

MaxChaos24, on 19 July 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's performing only average. 

 

I think you are reading your stat page upside down. Seriously, I feel the tank is OP and may need a tweek with reload time or pen.

[AJH387]

Koneko Da Best, on 19 July 2019 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

I 3 marked it and honestly doesn't really feel OP I think it can be situationally but overall not OP. Although I do think that if they decide to keep it as is they should undo all previous nerfs to the TVP

 

I can't say if it's OP or not because I don't have it yet. But if they leave it as-is there is absolutely no way you can defend the TVP being in it's current state and the Machine being ok as-is. 

[animatethant]

ABAOUIA, on 19 July 2019 - 08:31 AM, said:

 

Nice :€

 

How is the Waffle doing ?

 

the usual. some play it well and some play it terribly . difference is that the machine is a different beast than the waffle 

[animatethant]

ProngHorn134, on 19 July 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

 

I think you are reading your stat page upside down. Seriously, I feel the tank is OP and may need a tweek with reload time or pen.

 

what max is saying is that every player can earn the machine, from very poor to very good player. so the performance of the machine is all over the board = average = don't touch the tank.

 

whereas the tvp 50/51 is typically played only by players that have ground thru the line and have persevered and are typically above average players = above average = nerf it!

 

same kind of idea with the deathstar in terms of thinking . everyone can earn or fail their way to the deathstar. you get players doing 5-7k games and you get players that fire one shot for 350 dmg then get killed consistently. the stats show all over the place so wg does not touch it. so the deathstar exists as is because it's a carrot for new players, same with the waffle .

[psmobius1]

ABAOUIA, on 19 July 2019 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

Nice :€

 

How is the Waffle doing ?

 

I don't consistently play tier X's as I'm busy grinding away to get all of them in the garage but my last 22 or so grinds are all tier VIII and IX and I am not even sure that last time I noticed or let alone seen a waffle in battle. Still see the occasional deathstar but most get dealt with pretty quick if a couple greens know to not park in front of them and chop away their HP one shot at a time. I have come across quite a few in the machine (still working on getting one for my garage) and that thing seems to be quite a pain in the rear end to take out of the battle. Right now, I'll take my chances with a waffle over the machine LOL