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SirlceCream #41 Posted 20 July 2019 - 11:23 AM

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 20 July 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

Points out some of the best tier 10s in the game lol. S Conq, 5A, Patton (to a point), FV and 430U are OP

 

You should know the difference between very good tanks and overpowered tanks.

In your opinion FV is overpowered but a CAX which deals maybe around 150 damge per game less is only a average tank? Only because those tanks peforms slightly better doesnt make take them OP.

absolution, V/IV and Conq are examples for OP tanks because they perform way better than other tanks at their tier. A 50% WR player in an absolution can push his WR easily to 55%. Thats not the case in a machine


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USSWISCONSIN94 #42 Posted 20 July 2019 - 11:31 AM

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View PostSirlceCream, on 20 July 2019 - 06:23 AM, said:

 

You should know the difference between very good tanks and overpowered tanks.

In your opinion FV is overpowered but a CAX which deals maybe around 150 damge per game less is only a average tank? Only because those tanks peforms slightly better doesnt make take them OP.

absolution, V/IV and Conq are examples for OP tanks because they perform way better than other tanks at their tier. A 50% WR player in an absolution can push his WR easily to 55%. Thats not the case in a machine

 

Both are OP because WG in their wonderful logic seems to think every medium tank needs to have heavy tank levels of armor is why i think the FV and CAX are OP. You use that same logic for things like the Waffles, HESHStars and other tanks like that to say if its OP or not when it's in fact OP. but another thing for it is OP vs Broken. Tanks like the S Conq 5A 430U etc are OP. while tanks like the Machine, HESHStars and Waffles are broken. why? Because extremism is why. All of those tanks have things that are too extreme to have but yet because potatoes flock to them and dragging things like Damage, WR, Survival down suddenly means they're not. which is Bull.

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XDukeSavageX #43 Posted 20 July 2019 - 11:38 AM

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 20 July 2019 - 10:22 AM, said:

 

yeah,  everyone thinks the asbo is balanced.:rolleyes:

 

I have the tank, I'm not even that good in it but know fine well it's op.   

 

 

I also have it. I don't agree with you. 

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 20 July 2019 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

Both are OP because WG in their wonderful logic seems to think every medium tank needs to have heavy tank levels of armor is why i think the FV and CAX are OP. You use that same logic for things like the Waffles, HESHStars and other tanks like that to say if its OP or not when it's in fact OP. but another thing for it is OP vs Broken. Tanks like the S Conq 5A 430U etc are OP. while tanks like the Machine, HESHStars and Waffles are broken. why? Because extremism is why. All of those tanks have things that are too extreme to have but yet because potatoes flock to them and dragging things like Damage, WR, Survival down suddenly means they're not. which is Bull.

 

Suddenly machine isnt OP but broken. you played the  machine? i think you dont because to say this tank is broken like a deathstar or waffle who deals 3.3k damage per clip with much better accurancy,pen, alpha and intraclip reload/damge is just absurd. 

 Machine is a great tank for really good players and a mediocre tank for pretty much the whole playerbase

 

 


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View PostSirlceCream, on 20 July 2019 - 06:43 AM, said:

 

Suddenly machine isnt OP but broken. you played the  machine? i think you dont because to say this tank is broken like a deathstar or waffle who deals 3.3k damage per clip with much better accurancy,pen, alpha and intraclip reload/damge is just absurd. 

 Machine is a great tank for really good players and a mediocre tank for pretty much the whole playerbase

 

 

 

Takes all the good (yes and some of the bad quit trying to up play that) and makes it better mobility, gun and armor is great idea. And always thought it was broken. but generally said OP. the past week has changed my mind on it from OP to being broken.

 

" Machine is a great tank for really good players and a mediocre tank for pretty much the whole playerbase" You do know this playerbase is terrible right? That isn't a good reason to have tanks like this here


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View PostXDukeSavageX, on 20 July 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

I also have it. I don't agree with you. 

 

Yeah but I will say it as it is and not defend a tank I perform much better in  than the others.;)

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 20 July 2019 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

Takes all the good (yes and some of the bad quit trying to up play that) and makes it better mobility, gun and armor is great idea. And always thought it was broken. but generally said OP. the past week has changed my mind on it from OP to being broken.

 

" Machine is a great tank for really good players and a mediocre tank for pretty much the whole playerbase" You do know this playerbase is terrible right? That isn't a good reason to have tanks like this here

When i have to decide whether its OP or broken i would definitly say its OP.

Whats broken?

Armor? -Its good frontally but not broken, extremely weak side, engine deck, cheecks and coupola. Obj 257 sidearmor is broken for example.

Mobility?- nah again its (very)good but broken? dont think so. Topspeed downhill is awesome but acceleration is pretty mediocre and uphill its not as fast as a medium.

Gun?- 1.5 sec intraclip could be broken but its compensate with ok aimtime (higer than intra clip), low alpha and even lower pen. 246 APCR (feels like 220 pen in game for me) is comparable to 230 AP pen (due to normalization) and even less on range (220 ~tier 8 heavy pen). And like on  every other autoloader RNG trolls you sometimes pretty hard

 


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seem alright it shoots fast but doesnt hit hard im okay with it.

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View PostKuruh, on 20 July 2019 - 01:22 PM, said:

seem alright it shoots fast but doesnt hit hard im okay with it.

 

Perfect post. 

Currently at 42% winrte in Machine, I can't even win when like my last game 5300 dmg, 3 kills. Only 26 battles.

However it is acting just like 50b , where I have 380 battles, winrte 41%, hit ratio 70%. The stats are plenty high enough but the game program tank commander loads me into terrible positions

 

 


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There are mediums out there with good front hull and turrets, mobility and guns (Granted not autoloaders but still)

 

Would it be so out there to remove 250 health slow the intra-clip down to 2/2.5 Secs and re-label it a medium?


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It's like the Super Waffle or Death star.  When it works and you are on the recieving end it feels overpowered, but you don't see all the skill and preparation that went into setting up the kill, or all the times it falls flat on its face.

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View PostShockwave IIC, on 20 July 2019 - 03:58 PM, said:

There are mediums out there with good front hull and turrets, mobility and guns (Granted not autoloaders but still)

 

Would it be so out there to remove 250 health slow the intra-clip down to 2/2.5 Secs and re-label it a medium?

 

Honestly i think nerfing the traverse and turret traverse is all it needs as this would exaggerate its weakness and give tanks a better chance if a Machine gets real close, buffing the TVPs gun would help too.

 

It's kind of sad that other than camo it's far superior to the TVP.


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It's op and it fits right in with all the other op tanks. 

 

Agreed if the Machine's cannon is fine then the TVP needs to get it's old gun back with the old spec's.


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 19 July 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

It's performing only average. 

 

Is that metric average or English average? On a scale of average to average does it sit on the high end? What's the plus or minus average on the average?

Is there an average margin of error?


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I would be very happy if they un-nerfed the TVP, and kept the Machine as is. I think the Machine has enough cons to be fair enough for a good tank which is absolutely fantastic in hands more capable than mine. I just don't think some people accept that they are remarkably skilled so to them a good tank is OP, and that they are only able to be purple because there are average players and potato players in the game. 

 

I personally feel more consistent and confident in the crippled TVP than the Machine though I have had great games (for me) in both.

 

Restoring the TVP is the best option if they choose to make a change in either.

 

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View PostThermalStone, on 20 July 2019 - 04:06 PM, said:

It's like the Super Waffle or Death star.  When it works and you are on the recieving end it feels overpowered, but you don't see all the skill and preparation that went into setting up the kill, or all the times it falls flat on its face.

 

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Honestly the FV4202 is a better tank. IMO i don't hear anyone yelling OP. Seems to be trending that some players will wait and 3 mark a tank and then start yelling "Nerf" it's OP 

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View PostCleverJoey1844, on 21 July 2019 - 02:30 AM, said:

Honestly the FV4202 is a better tank. IMO i don't hear anyone yelling OP. Seems to be trending that some players will wait and 3 mark a tank and then start yelling "Nerf" it's OP 

 

Perhaps if the supertest program stopped throwing out broken tanks then these threads wouldn't happen.;)

 

Had a 4 man platoon in game yeaterday,   absolutely disgusting.


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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 20 July 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

Perhaps if the supertest program stopped throwing out broken tanks then these threads wouldn't happen.;)

 

Had a 4 man platoon in game yeaterday,   absolutely disgusting.

That's part of the problem though.

 

1 machine (or any decent autoloader) by itself and the impact is variable. 

 

Play 4 top tier autoloaders with competent players and you have to try pretty hard to lose.



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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 21 July 2019 - 07:24 AM, said:

 

Perhaps if the supertest program stopped throwing out broken tanks then these threads wouldn't happen.;)

 

Had a 4 man platoon in game yeaterday,   absolutely disgusting.

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