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HyperSpeeder #1 Posted 24 July 2019 - 01:02 PM

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I guess the next rebalance update is not far, and I worry about wargaming will do. Update 4.6 was a disarter in my opinion. Some nerfs may be ok, but many tanks were nerfed way to much. So I hope it does not happen with the next update or happen less, because you can lose playerbase with bad decisions.

 

I will give some examples:

 

Object 430 was once the soviet medium with the best camo values. So I grided that line only because of the camouflage the tank had, since dpm was almost the same of Obj 140 and T-62A and the gun handling was much worse. It has a little better hull, but it does no matter so much. No much time after I got the Tank, wargaming nerfed the camo. What do you think I felt?

 

AMX30B was once a very interesting tank, similar to Leopard 1. Now it has a better turret but lost penetration, shell velocity, and a little acurracy. Much worse that it was. Few people play with this tank now.

 

TVT T 50/51 was nerfed too much. In fact that tank was nerfed twice, 28 second is not the reload time it had when released, it was 24 seconds. Then nerfed to 28 seconds, then nerfed again to 31 seconds. 28 seconds was enough nerf.

 

WZ-132-1 had a severe dpm nerf for no reason, 10.7 to 12.2. Other Tier X light tanks like Sheridan got no nerf. This tank should be un-nerfed. It it the worst Tier X light now.

 

STRV 103B was nerfed too high, 7 to 8 seconds reload time. It is the worst tier X TD. It did not need this. The WT auf E100 and FV215B 183 stays the same. So why nerf the STRV 103B.

 

This were only exemples. Other tanks got unnecessary nerfs as well. For this reason warming should think twice before nerfing a tank. Sometimes I think they don't play their own game. Like I said, it is sad when you grind all the way to Tier X, then the tank is nerfed. It shoud be carefuly done. Wargaming has the average damage for each tank. We don't have, but we have estimatives and we can see some things are wrong.

 

So wargaming, be careful with next update rebalance.

 

 



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any nerf is stupid because it is negative. 

instead of buffs, which are positive. 

probaby the game devs roots are from ussr)


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View PostHyperSpeeder, on 24 July 2019 - 08:02 AM, said:

Object 430 was once the soviet medium with the best camo values. So I grided that line only because of the camouflage the tank had, since dpm was almost the same of Obj 140 and T-62A and the gun handling was much worse. It has a little better hull, but it does no matter so much. No much time after I got the Tank, wargaming nerfed the camo. What do you think I felt?

 

AMX30B was once a very interesting tank, similar to Leopard 1. Now it has a better turret but lost penetration, shell velocity, and a little acurracy. Much worse that it was. Few people play with this tank now.

 

TVT T 50/51 was nerfed too much. In fact that tank was nerfed twice, 28 second is not the reload time it had when released, it was 24 seconds. Then nerfed to 28 seconds, then nerfed again to 31 seconds. 28 seconds was enough nerf.

 

WZ-132-1 had a severe dpm nerf for no reason, 10.7 to 12.2. Other Tier X light tanks like Sheridan got no nerf. This tank should be un-nerfed. It it the worst Tier X light now.

 

STRV 103B was nerfed too high, 7 to 8 seconds reload time. It is the worst tier X TD. It did not need this. The WT auf E100 and FV215B 183 stays the same. So why nerf the STRV 103B.

 

 

430 gets the highest rof because of WG. and the fact it wasn't moved to tier 9 and given the 122mm is a good thing as its one of the best tier 9 meds on PC which isn't something we need as its like the T-54 but with alpha now. not a good thing.

 

AMX 30B could use a buff but that is the fault of WG thinking we needed to get another tier 10 med without thinking about it seeing as people still flock to the BC25t anyway.

 

TVP wasn't nerfed enough. the inter clip reload is what makes it stupid. the reload for the whole mag should've been 29 IMO but they went farther. still see them do well.

 

WZ-132-1. Might as well buff it.

 

STRV 103B? F to the no it doesn't deserve a buff with the armor it has because of the overmatch system. nerf the armor so you can at least pen it from the front without needed a 122mm or more then sure.

 

View PostMegaHesh, on 24 July 2019 - 09:36 AM, said:

any nerf is stupid because it s negative. 

instead of buffs, whisch ae positive. 

probaby the game devs roots are from ussr)

 

What are you smoking to think a nerf is a bad thing?


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what about the butchered e50 !

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View PostHyperSpeeder, on 24 July 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

I guess the next rebalance update is not far, and I worry about wargaming will do. Update 4.6 was a disarter in my opinion. Some nerfs may be ok, but many tanks were nerfed way to much. So I hope it does not happen with the next update or happen less, because you can lose playerbase with bad decisions.

 

I will give some examples:

 

Object 430 was once the soviet medium with the best camo values. So I grided that line only because of the camouflage the tank had, since dpm was almost the same of Obj 140 and T-62A and the gun handling was much worse. It has a little better hull, but it does no matter so much. No much time after I got the Tank, wargaming nerfed the camo. What do you think I felt?

 

AMX30B was once a very interesting tank, similar to Leopard 1. Now it has a better turret but lost penetration, shell velocity, and a little acurracy. Much worse that it was. Few people play with this tank now.

 

TVT T 50/51 was nerfed too much. In fact that tank was nerfed twice, 28 second is not the reload time it had when released, it was 24 seconds. Then nerfed to 28 seconds, then nerfed again to 31 seconds. 28 seconds was enough nerf.

 

WZ-132-1 had a severe dpm nerf for no reason, 10.7 to 12.2. Other Tier X light tanks like Sheridan got no nerf. This tank should be un-nerfed. It it the worst Tier X light now.

 

STRV 103B was nerfed too high, 7 to 8 seconds reload time. It is the worst tier X TD. It did not need this. The WT auf E100 and FV215B 183 stays the same. So why nerf the STRV 103B.

 

This were only exemples. Other tanks got unnecessary nerfs as well. For this reason warming should think twice before nerfing a tank. Sometimes I think they don't play their own game. Like I said, it is sad when you grind all the way to Tier X, then the tank is nerfed. It shoud be carefuly done. Wargaming has the average damage for each tank. We don't have, but we have estimatives and we can see some things are wrong.

 

So wargaming, be careful with next update rebalance.

 

 

 

This is because you have not understood the reason for these many balancing. By making buffs this endless inflation no longer made sense, some tank had become obsolete and asked buff so important to catch up with others that it would have been better to simply remove them from the technological line to replace them by something else. At all levels we saw only a few tank in game, always the same (40 or 50 tanks, maximum). Balancing allowed to return to play the majority of the tanks present in the TT.

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Personally, I like to see OP tanks get nerfed.  Yes, some of their 4.6 nerfs went overboard.  Still, I can easily list a dozen tanks that could use nerfs - almost all of which are premiums.  The game would be healthier for it.  If they had a rule of thumb something to the effect of always giving at least 2 tanks buffs for every one that gets a nerf, to cover both ends, people would probably be OK with it.  There will always be individuals who complain when their personal favorite gets nerfed, but that's the kind of collateral damage that you have to be willing to accept to keep the overall balance healthy.

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SP-132-1  balancing confirmed.

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 24 July 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

What are you smoking to think a nerf is a bad thing?

 

if a game item needs grinding, it is a contract and it should not be made worse than the item was.

seems as game devs and other idiots are too infantile to understand this)

 

 

 


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View PostMegaHesh, on 24 July 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

if a game item needs grinding, it is a contract and it should not be made worse than the item was.

seems as game devs and other idiots are too infantile to understand this)

 

 

 

 

Just because something on PC is OP doesn't mean we should copy and paste it here. No matter the problems we have. Don't make it worse by bringing in more powercreep. Why doesn't WG or other kids who are infantile to understand this? Some of these tanks needed a nerf. others needed a buff. A buff doesn't mean a positive and a nerf isn't a negative thing depending on the tank


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View PostMegaHesh, on 24 July 2019 - 10:20 AM, said:

if a game item needs grinding, it is a contract and it should not be made worse than the item was.

seems as game devs and other idiots are too infantile to understand this)

 

Where do you get that idea?  Legally, WG is covered by the EULA.  Ethically, resorting to name-calling to intimidate those of a different opinion shows more about you than it does about those whose opinions differ from yours.

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Chr15py #12 Posted 24 July 2019 - 06:26 PM

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Meh!!! That’s all I can say about this. 

 

WG have their own “super secret squirrel” stats on the tanks so what we see as a required buff (Matilda BP, TOG2 etc) isn’t seen as such by them. 

 

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View PostChr15py, on 24 July 2019 - 10:26 AM, said:

Meh!!! That’s all I can say about this. 

 

WG have their own “super secret squirrel” stats on the tanks so what we see as a required buff (Matilda BP, TOG2 etc) isn’t seen as such by them. 

 

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Bring back the E50!  

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 24 July 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

TVP wasn't nerfed enough. the inter clip reload is what makes it stupid. the reload for the whole mag should've been 29 IMO but they went farther. still see them do well.

 

the worst thing buff/nerf complainers is that there are people who dont own a tank, have never played it, dont have an ounce of experience or clue as to what its really like,  but still mouth off just because they struggled against one, got clipped by one, or saw some guy do well in one.

 

your one of those types of people aye .



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View PostWroclaw, on 24 July 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

the worst thing buff/nerf complainers is that there are people who dont own a tank, have never played it, dont have an ounce of experience or clue as to what its really like,  but still mouth off just because they struggled against one, got clipped by one, or saw some guy do well in one.

 

your one of those types of people aye .

 

I have played it on PC test server and can say what i want. sucks for you that i have my own opinion and PS. I am getting the tank and will (once again) show it doesn't need it

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 24 July 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

 

i havent played this tank on console, i have zero experience using it - but i get killed by them & that makes me whiney an authority.

 

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View PostPotato QQ, on 24 July 2019 - 09:29 PM, said:

 

WG doesn't play there own game,  if they did they would see what is wrong with it.

 

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
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View PostChr15py, on 25 July 2019 - 07:58 AM, said:

 

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

 

I can't believe I'm saying this, but he isn't entirely wrong.They might do the occasional stream/giveaway for the sake of good PR, but it's not really known at all if they play the game enough, which would explain some of the more clueless decisions we have.

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