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V4nquished79 #1 Posted 08 August 2019 - 06:15 AM

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...and what is this? Where he is aiming, I'm in The Machine? I was trying to hit the upper of his turret but he was under the horizon and my shot hit the ground. My turret had no holes in the game, neither on the replay and he was on Xbox One.

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/v4nquished79/video/77949567

 

Here he even shot through the mountain and the ground in front of me:

 

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/v4nquished79/video/77949502



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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 01:15 AM, said:

...and what is this? Where he is aiming, I'm in The Machine? I was trying to hit the upper of his turret but he was under the horizon and my shot hit the ground. My turret had no holes in the game, neither on the replay and he was on Xbox One.

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/v4nquished79/video/77949567

 

Here he even shot through the mountain and the ground in front of me:

 

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/v4nquished79/video/77949502

It looks to me like it's just a replay bug (replays never seem to line up correctly, especially when using the sniper mode). Chances are in the match that Grille 15 hit your cupola or a weaker section of your turret front while just barely firing over/around cover.


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Hard to tell from the replay, but looks like a perfectly legitimate cupola snipe to me. Besides, as your thread title states, cheating is not possible on console. :)


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As I wrote - the upper of his turret was not visible and the gun of Grille15 is way lower. This is how exactly he was seeing me, when on replay I rotated the camera around him in 3rd person view my tank was not visible. 

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View PostM4ntiX, on 08 August 2019 - 06:36 AM, said:

Hard to tell from the replay, but looks like a perfectly legitimate cupola snipe to me. Besides, as your thread title states, cheating is not possible on console. :)

 

And how is legitimate when shooting something you can't see and you shoot through the landscape???

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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 06:39 AM, said:

As I wrote - the upper of his turret was not visible and the gun of Grille15 is way lower. This is how exactly he was seeing me, when on replay I rotated the camera around him in 3rd person view my tank was not visible. 

 

Ever play a KV-2?  Their shots drop so much that if the Earth were a beach ball, they could shoot around the ball and hit themselves in the butt.



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View PostTransparentBlue, on 08 August 2019 - 06:43 AM, said:

 

Ever play a KV-2?  Their shots drop so much that if the Earth were a beach ball, they could shoot around the ball and hit themselves in the butt.

 

Yes, I've played KV2, never experienced homing missile shots.

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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 01:39 AM, said:

As I wrote - the upper of his turret was not visible and the gun of Grille15 is way lower. This is how exactly he was seeing me, when on replay I rotated the camera around him in 3rd person view my tank was not visible. 

If he was sniping your cupola you possibly couldn't see any part of his tank in return, as the Machine's cupola is elevated a decent ways above its gun as well. And as previously mentioned, the replay system isn't particularly accurate in many cases.


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View PostFusionStar287, on 08 August 2019 - 06:51 AM, said:

If he was sniping your cupola you possibly couldn't see any part of his tank in return, as the Machine's cupola is elevated a decent ways above its gun as well. And as previously mentioned, the replay system isn't particularly accurate in many cases.

 

Ok, this is the commander's cupola of The Machine, and there is the commander, the highest spot on the tank, so - if I can't see him, how his gun, that is much lower than  the highest part of Gtille's 15 turret, can shoot at me? Do I need to draw or someone needs to go back to school? 

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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 02:02 AM, said:

 

Ok, this is the commander's cupola of The Machine, and there is the commander, the highest spot on the tank, so - if I can't see him, how his gun, that is much lower than  the highest part of Gtille's 15 turret, can shoot at me? Do I need to draw or someone needs to go back to school? 

The gun on the Grille 15 isn't so far from the top that the couldn't feasibly have shots at your cupola while you didn't have shots in return. In fact, when a Grille 15 is using the extent of its gun depression (as he might have been from seeing the ridges the was shooting over in the replays) it doesn't actually expose much of its turret at all, and as such it could rather easily get shots into your cupola without your gun having a line of sight at him.

 

Also, just to make sure we're on the same page and not having some sort of misunderstanding, when you say you couldn't see him are you saying that he wasn't detected or that he was detected but when you aimed at him you didn't have any shots/line of fire?


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When I was aiming at him he was under the horizon, the top of Grille's turret was in one line or little below the horizon. I was seeing only the red label with it's tank type and nickname. On the second video is clear - i'm below the hill, i tryed one shot like his but hit the ground, not him.



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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 02:58 AM, said:

When I was aiming at him he was under the horizon, the top of Grille's turret was in one line or little below the horizon. I was seeing only the red label with it's tank type and nickname. On the second video is clear - i'm below the hill, i tryed on shot like his but hit the ground, not him.

It really seems to me that he simply got a good shot on your cupola while keeping his tank out of the line of fire of your gun then. In the actual match there might have been some lag so that he hit you while it appeared that you were already behind the ridge, or perhaps you just didn't notice that he did still have a clear shot at your cupola, but either way this honestly doesn't seem like a case of an in game glitch (and it's certainly not the other player hacking).


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No, he was sitting there without expose himself. Why I upload two videos and people start to theoritize?

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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 06:40 AM, said:

 

And how is legitimate when shooting something you can't see and you shoot through the landscape???

 

It's possible to shoot through the terrain sometimes. Certain rocks and bits of ground simply don't block shots. It isn't cheating its just a flaw with the game itself. 

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Certain little rocks yes, but not whole mountain. 

 



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It's easy to forget that game world does not have same rules of physics as the real world. Sometime you can make interesting shots when you relay on RNG. Like with artillery when you aim off from the target and count on RNG to miss and hit the enemy tank. Or when you purposely shoot angled enemy tank to hit tanks hiding behind the corner.  It's not cheating if you learn how the game mechanism work and how to use it to your advantage.  


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Ok, You are all so convinient, who will play with me in a trainning room on this map and will show me how he shoots through the landscape, i will appreciate it.

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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 02:02 AM, said:

 

Ok, this is the commander's cupola of The Machine, and there is the commander, the highest spot on the tank, so - if I can't see him, how his gun, that is much lower than  the highest part of Gtille's 15 turret, can shoot at me? Do I need to draw or someone needs to go back to school? 

 

That picture might be the most awesome thing I've seen on in this forum in a long time. Bravo. 

 

I did seem to see folks shooting me when I couldn't even see their turret peaking out the other day. But I don't think it was cheating/hacking. I think I was kinda drunk. I couldn't tell for sure what was going on.  More research and Coors Banquet is needed.


 

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View PostV4nquished79, on 08 August 2019 - 02:02 AM, said:

 

Ok, this is the commander's cupola of The Machine, and there is the commander, the highest spot on the tank, so - if I can't see him, how his gun, that is much lower than  the highest part of Gtille's 15 turret, can shoot at me? Do I need to draw or someone needs to go back to school? 

 

you have the replay system you can follow his shot in slow motion and get a video and screenshots of his round as it travels pausing where necessary. Why do this? If the round is being wonky you could show it...

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My guess... Grill was using a 360, the dirtiest cheat.

 

Also, i don’t think the game accounts for the true diameter of a shell when it comes to collision detection, only the trajectory line.  I shot a 15cm round thru a ~5cm gap once.

 

So, did you send them a GG?


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