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Chr15py #1 Posted 13 August 2019 - 02:55 PM

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Hey.

 

Just wondering if the +/- 0 Pen and +/-10% damage event has finished? Has been an event with too much high pen premium being shot in my experience so will be kinda glad when its back to normal.

 

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I think so.  Haven't seen any tanks on 1 hp today.  I saw more tanks driving around with single digit hit points last week than in the previous 5 years I've played this game.

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View PostChr15py, on 13 August 2019 - 10:55 AM, said:

Hey.

 

Just wondering if the +/- 0 Pen and +/-10% damage event has finished? Has been an event with too much high pen premium being shot in my experience so will be kinda glad when its back to normal.

 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 13 August 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

 

Hello, this event is over today. If you participated, keep an eye out in your inbox to provide feedback. :honoring:

 

very glad it is over. still left wondering what that was about. 


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I hope it comes back.  In my opinion, reduced penetration RNG is a good thing.  It made my Maus feel relevant at least.

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View Postallhavoc, on 13 August 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

I hope it comes back.  In my opinion, reduced penetration RNG is a good thing.  It made my Maus feel relevant at least.

 

Right but this wasnt reduced it was removed. I fear a model like this will make it a requirement under certain circumstances to use premium rounds... which I do carry a percent of but rarely use. 

 

I wouldn't mind a Gaussian formula so most values resulted within a tighter range but I don't like the complete removal and I like more extreme outliers to still be possible. This would still give you that more relevant feeling on your armor (until the premium rounds come out) while not making it impossible that you could be penned on a lucky roll. 

 

Gaussian seems most likely to fit the nature of factory specs on ammunition (and the strength of armor itself which is accounted for in the rng of the pen) as they would tend towards the normal but have wide variations.

 

Alternate models would include reduced damage on near pen values. ... this would result in basically the same damage over time as we have in the +-25 but in more normal values. I proposed that here in better detail - http://forum-console...test-lower-rng/


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View Postallhavoc, on 13 August 2019 - 05:59 PM, said:

I hope it comes back.  In my opinion, reduced penetration RNG is a good thing.  It made my Maus feel relevant at least.

 

It was reduced. The RNG was just tightened up. Basically, if the reticle was red (Except in the case of spaced armor) it would go through.

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View PostMaster Raigoth, on 13 August 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

It was reduced. The RNG was just tightened up.

 

Penetration rng was not just tightened up it was removed (set to 0) - all pen before range reduction was listed values during this test.

 

View PostMaster Raigoth, on 13 August 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

Basically, if the reticle was red (Except in the case of spaced armor) it would go through.

 

The red reticle ALWAYS has meant that. 


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think people are over reacting to the event (again) assuming everyone is firing prem because of it. Having it at 0% is too far but keeping it at 25% is too damn high. Damage being at 10% felt nice as it didn't jump so far up or low like before. hope they bring back the 10% to damage and to Pen. be lot better

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 13 August 2019 - 07:03 PM, said:

think people are over reacting to the event (again) assuming everyone is firing prem because of it. Having it at 0% is too far but keeping it at 25% is too damn high. Damage being at 10% felt nice as it didn't jump so far up or low like before. hope they bring back the 10% to damage and to Pen. be lot better

 

I was using shamelessly premium ammo, it was fun specially with high tier tank destroyers, red circle - fire - pen - damage - profit.  It was not so fun when I played my low tier tanks, they seemed to have serious issues to pen with standard ammo when they were in bottom tier, new players would lose a lot of silver when they have to fire more premium ammo to get experience to their grinds.  Now that event is over, I don't miss low RNG even like I missed -1/+1 event, I can do well with 25% RNG, I don't need 0% easy mode.


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View PostDestraag, on 13 August 2019 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

Penetration rng was not just tightened up it was removed (set to 0) - all pen before range reduction was listed values during this test.

 

 

The red reticle ALWAYS has meant that. 

 

The orange reticule needs to be removed if 0 pen RNG ever become permanent. 


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View PostSPUK4U, on 13 August 2019 - 02:39 PM, said:

 

I was using shamelessly premium ammo, it was fun specially with high tier tank destroyers, red circle - fire - pen - damage - profit.  It was not so fun when I played my low tier tanks, they seemed to have serious issues to pen with standard ammo when they were in bottom tier, new players would lose a lot of silver when they have to fire more premium ammo to get experience to their grinds.  Now that event is over, I don't miss low RNG even like I missed -1/+1 event, I can do well with 25% RNG, I don't need 0% easy mode.

 

never said it should be at 0% though. the assumption of high tier TDs (and Prem in general) always penning is laughable as well. Even with this event i didn't spam prem as didn't want to or needed to unless bored, being spammed at myself or vs idiot proof tanks.

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 13 August 2019 - 03:03 PM, said:

think people are over reacting to the event (again) assuming everyone is firing prem because of it. Having it at 0% is too far but keeping it at 25% is too damn high. Damage being at 10% felt nice as it didn't jump so far up or low like before. hope they bring back the 10% to damage and to Pen. be lot better

 

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View Postallhavoc, on 13 August 2019 - 10:59 AM, said:

I hope it comes back.  In my opinion, reduced penetration RNG is a good thing.  It made my Maus feel relevant at least.

 

I penned the front of a maus UFP with T92 AP from 700M away. So yes in some ways and definitely not in others.

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View Postscwirpeo, on 13 August 2019 - 09:31 PM, said:

 

I penned the front of a maus UFP with T92 AP from 700M away. So yes in some ways and definitely not in others.

With 370mm pen (even with a low roll) you would've penned anyway as from that range it would've hit it from a more straight angle.

 

 

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 13 August 2019 - 07:45 PM, said:

With 370mm pen (even with a low roll) you would've penned anyway as from that range it would've hit it from a more straight angle.

 

 

 

Am i wrong?

 

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With 25% rng I can roll all the way to 278. That will literally never pen.


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View Postscwirpeo, on 13 August 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

 

With 25% rng I can roll all the way to 278. That will literally never pen.

 

yes you actually can. unless you are facing it from 50m straight on then maybe. but from range and with the round coming down to it. it'll pen.

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I enjoyed the event. I felt like I didn't bounce shots as much which made the game a little more satisfying. Well other than when I played with the Glory IS-5 I got in the anniversary war chest. That, just like the Fatherland I used to have, bounced on some stupid easy up close shots.

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View PostCamaroGuy96, on 13 August 2019 - 08:35 PM, said:

I enjoyed the event. I felt like I didn't bounce shots as much which made the game a little more satisfying. Well other than when I played with the Glory IS-5 I got in the anniversary war chest. That, just like the Fatherland I used to have, bounced on some stupid easy up close shots.

 

With that gun I was glad to just hit an enemy 10M away let alone pen them. Less rng on pen will never fix that trash gun.

View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 13 August 2019 - 07:54 PM, said:

 

yes you actually can. unless you are facing it from 50m straight on then maybe. but from range and with the round coming down to it. it'll pen.

 

AP loses pen over distance additionally there are angles to contend with. A low pen roll will easily make that not pen. 

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View Postscwirpeo, on 13 August 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

 

With that gun I was glad to just hit an enemy 10M away let alone pen them. Less rng on pen will never fix that trash gun.

 

AP loses pen over distance additionally there are angles to contend with. A low pen roll will easily make that not pen. 

 

15mm. How terrible.

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