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sergeant-slow741 #21 Posted 15 August 2019 - 04:43 PM

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View PostArKenemyxX, on 15 August 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

I have surgery on my B-day next tuesday so hope to see 4.11 drop next week!

 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 15 August 2019 - 09:14 AM, said:

 

Soon™ (This month sometime). 

 

Don't do any more balance updates please. The game is better off this broken we don't need it any worse.

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I've had the E-50M for some time and barely played it, and the rounds per minute nerf gives me even less incentive to play it over the Soviet mediums at tier 10 that get to keep the best dpm and effective turrets at tier 10. The E-50M has lagged behind a number of other tier 10 mediums that have been buffed.

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John-berg1995 #24 Posted 16 August 2019 - 05:09 AM

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Don't lump the E5 in with the 121, the E5 is perfectly fine. you mean it's now worse due to the much needed cupola nerf, now no one wants to play it. I wonder why....it's not like it was over powered or anything pre nerf....



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 16 August 2019 - 12:14 AM, said:

 

Soon™ (This month sometime). 

 

it’s good to see you have a sense of humour Max

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View PostJohn-berg1995, on 15 August 2019 - 11:09 PM, said:

Don't lump the E5 in with the 121, the E5 is perfectly fine. you mean it's now worse due to the much needed cupola nerf, now no one wants to play it. I wonder why....it's not like it was over powered or anything pre nerf....
 

 

You're crazy if you think the E5 is "perfect". :teethhappy:

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View PostImpulseOyster42, on 16 August 2019 - 06:31 AM, said:

 

You're crazy if you think the E5 is "perfect". :teethhappy:

I love how the only thing keeping the E5 good in your eyes is that damn commanders cupola nerf, 

 

Because back before they nerfed it, it was the king of meta for tier X heavies. it was a much needed nerf. It was to good. 

 

As it stands it's perfectly fine. it's a great all rounder. with a great gun and great gun depression, frontal armor. It's quick to accelerate to boot. 

 

We all know you're salty they nerfed your favorite tank. but set your bias aside and look at it for what it is. The only tank that comes close to being more meta is the super conquer. and yeah the super conquer is better. but that's what happens when they add a PC tank with PC stats while leaving the rest of our tanks with gimped versions of the PC stats. They all pale in comparison, the E5 is by absolute no means in the same category as the 113 or 121, I understand you feel cheated but get that crap out of here. be realistic. the E5 is fine as it is. what do you possibly want buffed on it? Everything is outstanding on it.... except for the cupola..but that's needed to keep it in line. 

 

tanks like 

113

121

30B

E50M

Is-4

progheto 65

object 268v4 

k-91 

 

Are tanks that actually need to be looked at. and evaluated again. 

 

The E5 falls into the same group as the 215b, STB-1, TVP, E100, IS-7 ect.ect.  it's better than the ones listed above but are over shadowed by the current meta tanks. 

 

The 121 isn't even that bad. It just takes alot of skill to play. If you can use it's limited gun depression its gun is an absolute monster. It's just 99.99% of the time your gun is busy aiming at the sky rather than at enemy tanks. It's so bad you can't even hit the lower plate of an enemy tank inside 30 meters. because your gun physically can't aim down far enough. 

 

The only issues the e5 has to worry about is people penetrating it's cupola. Problems wich pales in comparison to a 113s problems.

 

At least the E5 has reliable frontal hull armor, at Least it has nearly double the gun depression of the 113, while aiming 0.7 seconds faster! 

 

It's basically better in every way.

 

The E5 isn't power creeped not yet anyways. it's a solid tank with an obvious weakspot. learn to wiggle your turret in between shots and people will struggle to penetrate it. 

 

Or continue sitting still while good players farm you. It's up to you really. 



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I still find the E5 to be fantastic. I refused to use it after the initial buff as it was just OTT, but nowadays its in a nice middle ground and overall I really enjoy it. 

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View PostImpulseOyster42, on 16 August 2019 - 06:31 AM, said:

 

You're crazy if you think the E5 is "perfect". :teethhappy:

 

I'd say as an all rounder it is. It can use parts of the map the 5a can't and it can brawl better than the sluggish S. Conq which is easy to take apart at close range. 

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View PostJohn-berg1995, on 16 August 2019 - 02:42 AM, said:

I love how the only thing keeping the E5 good in your eyes is that damn commanders cupola nerf, 

 

Because back before they nerfed it, it was the king of meta for tier X heavies. it was a much needed nerf. It was to good. 

 

As it stands it's perfectly fine. it's a great all rounder. with a great gun and great gun depression, frontal armor. It's quick to accelerate to boot. 

 

We all know you're salty they nerfed your favorite tank. but set your bias aside and look at it for what it is. The only tank that comes close to being more meta is the super conquer. and yeah the super conquer is better. but that's what happens when they add a PC tank with PC stats while leaving the rest of our tanks with gimped versions of the PC stats. They all pale in comparison, the E5 is by absolute no means in the same category as the 113 or 121, I understand you feel cheated but get that crap out of here. be realistic. the E5 is fine as it is. what do you possibly want buffed on it? Everything is outstanding on it.... except for the cupola..but that's needed to keep it in line. 

 

tanks like 

113

121

30B

E50M

Is-4

progheto 65

object 268v4 

k-91 

 

Are tanks that actually need to be looked at. and evaluated again. 

 

The E5 falls into the same group as the 215b, STB-1, TVP, E100, IS-7 ect.ect.  it's better than the ones listed above but are over shadowed by the current meta tanks. 

 

The 121 isn't even that bad. It just takes alot of skill to play. If you can use it's limited gun depression its gun is an absolute monster. It's just 99.99% of the time your gun is busy aiming at the sky rather than at enemy tanks. It's so bad you can't even hit the lower plate of an enemy tank inside 30 meters. because your gun physically can't aim down far enough. 

 

The only issues the e5 has to worry about is people penetrating it's cupola. Problems wich pales in comparison to a 113s problems.

 

At least the E5 has reliable frontal hull armor, at Least it has nearly double the gun depression of the 113, while aiming 0.7 seconds faster! 

 

It's basically better in every way.

 

The E5 isn't power creeped not yet anyways. it's a solid tank with an obvious weakspot. learn to wiggle your turret in between shots and people will struggle to penetrate it. 

 

Or continue sitting still while good players farm you. It's up to you really. 

 

Your list is pretty innacurate. The 113 and 50M are worse than their OP counterparts but still decent (same as the E5). The TVP is a sad mess of an overnerfed tank that needs some love. Btw, the 113 has 7 degrees of gun depression while the E5 has 8. 113 has a better turret and Alpha with about the same amount of frontal weakspots plus the 113 is faster than the E5. The E5 is powercrept by the SConq that is better in every way except speed. Sure the SConq is a bit OP but that's kinda the definition of power creep

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Btw, the 113 has 7 degrees of gun depression while the E5 has 8 

 

I has it only on the side.  I play the 5A instead.  It has 7 degrees over the front. 



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I think the E5 is good as-is. Great tank and probably was a bit ridiculous before. SC did seem to take it's spot in the role is has/had. I only have the 5A of the Chinese and I am bad in every Chinese tank, so I won't even give an opinion. E50M just lacks excitement, for me. I can't really say that it under-performs. It's been meh since I got it. Probably just seems like it's a tad worse since it's older. It is capable of great games, in the right situation. Like someone else mentioned above, it is really hard to keep a balance and also have each medium have an identity. That is where the E50M falls short. Tanks like the Obj 140, Patton and the autoloaders are just a bit more appealing because of their ceiling / potential to have a monster game.

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View Postnatedaishmaster, on 16 August 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

 

Your list is pretty innacurate. The 113 and 50M are worse than their OP counterparts but still decent (same as the E5). The TVP is a sad mess of an overnerfed tank that needs some love. Btw, the 113 has 7 degrees of gun depression while the E5 has 8. 113 has a better turret and Alpha with about the same amount of frontal weakspots plus the 113 is faster than the E5. The E5 is powercrept by the SConq that is better in every way except speed. Sure the SConq is a bit OP but that's kinda the definition of power creep

113 only has 7 directly over the sides of the tank. It's frontal armor is basically paper. 

 

Yeah it's a good tank in the hands of unicum. But the average player is going to blow in this tank than as if he's in an E5

 

113 does not have a better turret than the E5 :D

 

Heat can rip straight through the front of the 113s turret and it's ammo rack is in the cheek! I've been turret front ammo racked before in it. 

 

The E5 laughs at heat shot at it's turret.  



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I don't really agree that the S. Conqueror has replaced the E5, as both tanks have very different roles. The S. Conqueror has a better gun and a much smaller cupola weak point, but in exchange its hull armor is significantly worse (especially in regards to its lower plate), it's a much slower/more sluggish tank, and its turret armor can actually be penned frontally by many premium shells whereas the T110E5's frontal turret armor can't be penned at all by most tanks unless they hit the cupola center on. All in all the S. Conqueror is a better heavy for working ridgelines to take apart enemies quickly, but the T110E5 is a much better heavy for brawling up close and fighting on flat terrain.

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