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[XT356]

I know I know, nerfed, worst medium, gun sucks, aim sucks, blah blah blah. I never got the chance to play it before nerfs and I really wish I did. While the current aim time is horrendous, wargaming did give it one thing people have overlooked immensely this whole time. That my friends is called tonnage. They made the tank a heavier, and thus made it into a really, and I mean a REALLY nice battering ram, while keeping it speed withing acceptable levels. With controlled impact, I have zero issues ramming a heavy to death. While it is classified as a medium, it honestly plays like a pocket heavy, a faster 430U or battlecruiser so to speak (for you naval buffs out there), with the armor and firepower to challenge most other heavy tanks if slugging it out becomes unavoidable. It is no longer the sniper of old, but a more nimble and softer E75. With that new mindset and quite a few calibrations of play style, it has been working out great. I wish I could make a video about it (will do at some point).

 

Disclaimer:

By no means is this saying the nerfs were done properly, but instead is to highlight a really odd "buff". Aim time sucks, and needs to be fixed.

 

Spoiler

 NERF THE DAMN SPEED ON THE MACHINE.

 

[John Arrowsmith]

The  E50 used to be a sniper?   

 

Do you by any chance have these weight changes as  it was always a good rammer.

[XT356]

John Arrowsmith, on 19 August 2019 - 03:07 AM, said:

The  E50 used to be a sniper?   

 

Do you by any chance have these weight changes as  it was always a good rammer.

 

I recalled from the patch notes that they increase the weight by four tons. I will have to refind the patch notes again.

[Szympus1194]

*Laughs in 3 marks*

E50 is great and aiming time is very good with everything.

[motor sw]

It only should have gotten a mobility nerf. Aim time broke it for me.

[V4nquished79]

Tier 10 game with beautiful end

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/v4nquished79/video/78330038

Edited by V4nquished79, 19 August 2019 - 11:22 AM.

[Tempest fox3]

Szympus1194, on 19 August 2019 - 10:50 AM, said:

*Laughs in 3 marks*

E50 is great and aiming time is very good with everything.

 

I would imagine it's quite easy to 3 mark now hardly anyone plays it. 3s aim time is simply too much a 105mm medium should not have a longer aim time than 128mm / 130mm heavies.

 

That's before we even mention the rate of fire nerf from 6.25 to 5.45. The tank is trash now.

 

As for the thread, they didn't increase its mass. It's always weighed 61.something tons.

 

The tank became an issue when they buffed the frontal Armour and then buffed the terrain resistance without nerfing the engine. The easy fix would have been A) nerf the frontal Armour back 120mm like it was originally. This maintains the mobility. But makes it less a Le to brawl like a heavy B) nerf the engine to 900 horsepower. C) nerf the terrain resistances back to their pre-buff levels.

 

They should not have [edited]ed with the gun. The gun was never the problem. It wasn't even close to the best 105mm in tier.

 

The nerf to the E50m was even less justified. 

[SchildMESSER]

Why should you play now an E-50 after the E75 got a mobility buff it feels like the E75 can do everything better 

[V4nquished79]

Tempest fox3, on 19 August 2019 - 11:30 AM, said:

 

I would imagine it's quite easy to 3 mark now hardly anyone plays it. 

It's not so easy, I'm trying to 3 marked it, with plenty of 3k+ damage games, games over 6k, but now we have much more hard to penetrate heavy tanks - obj.705 etc, and when you are in tier 10 game full of impenetrable monsters you can lose some damage standing. 

Edited by V4nquished79, 19 August 2019 - 12:01 PM.

[KilledByPing]

XT356, on 19 August 2019 - 10:53 AM, said:

I know I know, nerfed, worst medium, gun sucks, aim sucks, blah blah blah. I never got the chance to play it before nerfs and I really wish I did. While the current aim time is horrendous, wargaming did give it one thing people have overlooked immensely this whole time. That my friends is called tonnage. They made the tank a heavier, and thus made it into a really, and I mean a REALLY nice battering ram, while keeping it speed withing acceptable levels. With controlled impact, I have zero issues ramming a heavy to death. While it is classified as a medium, it honestly plays like a pocket heavy, a faster 430U or battlecruiser so to speak (for you naval buffs out there), with the armor and firepower to challenge most other heavy tanks if slugging it out becomes unavoidable. It is no longer the sniper of old, but a more nimble and softer E75. With that new mindset and quite a few calibrations of play style, it has been working out great. I wish I could make a video about it (will do at some point).

 

Disclaimer:

By no means is this saying the nerfs were done properly, but instead is to highlight a really odd "buff". Aim time sucks, and needs to be fixed.

 

Spoiler

 NERF THE DAMN SPEED ON THE MACHINE.

 

 

it's weigth always was very high and E50 always was a battering ram. Actually whole line starting from VK M have have this as a strong side if you ram same tier tanks.

However, this additional weigth only made this tank LESS mobile while not actualy improved ramming power that much. One of the main problems of E 50 was terrible traverse speed and now it become even worse.

 

And hell, how often you actually ram some1 and not die right after? Like 1 out of 10 games?

[Jherry Angel]

Interesting post OP.

 

I've only recently unlocked the E50 and find it a very capable tank.  Agree with the aim-time observation and a 'Heavium' role but I never knew the tank 'pre-nerf' so have no frame of reference for its pre/post abilities.

[Fearless2997]

Jherry Angel, on 19 August 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

Interesting post OP.

 

I've only recently unlocked the E50 and find it a very capable tank.  Agree with the aim-time observation and a 'Heavium' role but I never knew the tank 'pre-nerf' so have no frame of reference for its pre/post abilities.

 

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Edited by LIT SKULL987, 19 August 2019 - 02:44 PM.

[Tempest fox3]

Jherry Angel, on 19 August 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

Interesting post OP.

 

I've only recently unlocked the E50 and find it a very capable tank.  Agree with the aim-time observation and a 'Heavium' role but I never knew the tank 'pre-nerf' so have no frame of reference for its pre/post abilities.

 

Play the E75 instead. Somewhat less mobile but enough Armour to brawl with tier 10s and live. Similar gun handling and dpm but with more punch per shot. 

[Szympus1194]

They nerfed it because of stat padders

[USSWISCONSIN94]

they never nerfed the weight of the tank. it's still the same as before.

[Jherry Angel]

Tempest fox3, on 19 August 2019 - 03:05 PM, said:

 

Play the E75 instead. Somewhat less mobile but enough Armour to brawl with tier 10s and live. Similar gun handling and dpm but with more punch per shot. 

 

Thanks for the tip.  Will admit that I've unlocked the E75 but not a major Heavy fan.  Does the E50M play any better, do you know?  

[Teffisk]

I've never played it, but considering the OP ramming abilities and the now awful gun, it seems perhaps the better nerf would have simply been to the speed. Top it out at 50 with a little thinner nerf and it would be more balanced and still have a good gun.

[Tempest fox3]

Jherry Angel, on 19 August 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

 

Thanks for the tip.  Will admit that I've unlocked the E75 but not a major Heavy fan.  Does the E50M play any better, do you know?  

 

The aim time and the hull traverse are considerably better than the E50's. It doesn't turn like it's driving on a swap all the time.

 

Armour is a little better on the E50m too with the lfp being slightly better angled, but the drawback is the top speed and acceleration are worse than what the E50 has. 

 

The dpm is also overall quite poor for the tier at just over 2300 base where other non-autoloading mediums at tier 10 are packing 2600-2900 base.

 

The E75 plays more like a brawling Heavium these days, good acceleration and 45kmph top speed on pretty much every terrain allows it to get around the map with ease. 

[Jherry Angel]

Tempest fox3, on 19 August 2019 - 06:06 PM, said:

 

The aim time and the hull traverse are considerably better than the E50's. It doesn't turn like it's driving on a swap all the time.

 

Armour is a little better on the E50m too with the lfp being slightly better angled, but the drawback is the top speed and acceleration are worse than what the E50 has. 

 

The dpm is also overall quite poor for the tier at just over 2300 base where other non-autoloading mediums at tier 10 are packing 2600-2900 base.

 

The E75 plays more like a brawling Heavium these days, good acceleration and 45kmph top speed on pretty much every terrain allows it to get around the map with ease. 

 

Thanks again for your advice, much appreciated. I'm now really tempted to pull the crew from the E50 and drop them in the E75. I've unlocked some of the packages, so must have played it a bit but gave up.

 

Thanks again and happy tanking!

[PinkishOcean430]

UN-NERF THE E50/E50M!

 

It will sit in my garage like many other E50's until it is.

Edited by PinkishOcean430, 19 August 2019 - 07:39 PM.