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ThermalStone #21 Posted 21 August 2019 - 12:20 PM

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Shoot more premium APCR.  It's strictly better than regular AP in almost every situation.  Outside of a few low tier low caliber guns APCR pen drop at distance doesn't start to matter until 600 or 700m in a game where 95 percent of shooting happens at less than 500m.  The normalization with angles problem only happens on rare occasions with stray shots.  APCR has higher velocity as well, making it easier to hit moving targets at long distance.  All it costs is silver.  I normally carry 40 to 60 percent APCR.

 

HEAT is a different story because of its lower shell velocity and poor performance against spaced armor.  Sometimes you have to think carefully about which shell to use based on the target.  Other times the difference in pen between the regular shell and the HEAT is so high that HEAT should be spammed at nearly everything (T-54 for instance.)


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MyGravyUrBizkit #22 Posted 21 August 2019 - 01:04 PM

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I spam gold rounds with no regard to what other players think. I load 5 HE and the rest APCR in my E4, use HEAT when its appropriate, and if I had a deathstar I would only fire HESH because I can.

panthermark #23 Posted 21 August 2019 - 02:32 PM

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Depends on the tank and tier....

 

FV4202?  Not that much....

T-34-88? Basically every shot...


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marinefish666 #24 Posted 21 August 2019 - 02:50 PM

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Take out your Churchill 3 with premium shells.

If you are top tier it is hilarious.

You still make silver which is even funnier to tell the people that complain. 


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FinlandRed #25 Posted 21 August 2019 - 02:56 PM

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View PostThermalStone, on 21 August 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

Shoot more premium APCR.  It's strictly better than regular AP in almost every situation.  Outside of a few low tier low caliber guns APCR pen drop at distance doesn't start to matter until 600 or 700m in a game where 95 percent of shooting happens at less than 500m.  The normalization with angles problem only happens on rare occasions with stray shots.  APCR has higher velocity as well, making it easier to hit moving targets at long distance.  All it costs is silver.  I normally carry 40 to 60 percent APCR.

 

HEAT is a different story because of its lower shell velocity and poor performance against spaced armor.  Sometimes you have to think carefully about which shell to use based on the target.  Other times the difference in pen between the regular shell and the HEAT is so high that HEAT should be spammed at nearly everything (T-54 for instance.)

 

This. So much this. I'm sitting on 160M silver after buying and equiping a T62a for Ranked. The silver cost is not an issue.

 

View PostCpl Derren, on 21 August 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

I was advised by an IMTLZ player some time ago that you want to carry enough P-Rounds to eliminate the highest health tank you might face by yourself. 

 

I also “try” not to use prem rounds, but if my health goes into the red, or I need to carry a flank. There is no hesitation, because at that point, every round will count.

 

This is also true. Especially the last bit. If I'm on a hard carry I'll go gold because it could be the difference between a clutch and loss.



ImpulseOyster42 #26 Posted 21 August 2019 - 03:05 PM

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Good players use pretty much all premium ammo, look at ANY stream with someone who's recognised, they'll tell ya.

N333DL3 #27 Posted 21 August 2019 - 03:14 PM

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I pay for my premium ammo with silver.

Merun #28 Posted 21 August 2019 - 03:16 PM

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View PostImpulseOyster42, on 21 August 2019 - 03:05 PM, said:

Good players use pretty much all premium ammo, look at ANY stream with someone who's recognised, they'll tell ya.

 

You mean, like Rubbelito, who is good a streamer and also a community contributor?

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ABAOUIA #29 Posted 21 August 2019 - 04:03 PM

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View PostImpulseOyster42, on 21 August 2019 - 04:05 PM, said:

Good players use pretty much all premium ammo, look at ANY stream with someone who's recognised, they'll tell ya.

 

Good is kinda relative.

 

Good imo is a green / light blue  -  blue player.

 

Great are the Uni's / Super Uni's.

 

But I highly doubt that all Uni's fire full prem, sure a couple will but most are good enough to not need it.

 

To come back at the good players, I'm a blue-berry so to say, but 10 prem is basicly the max number and I hardly use them cause i do fine without them.

 

Marking tanks is different and maybe if i shoot more prem i would be Uni, not sure. Just don't like prem, if i kill you with reg shells i feel more King then i would using prem.

 

So sorry but i question your response.



ABAOUIA #30 Posted 21 August 2019 - 04:11 PM

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To add i 2 marked the 54-Bounce in my quest for the Machine :)

I call it bounce cause i hardly shot prem, so i prob could 3mark it if i started premming, but I'm done with the tank, nothing special ! I remember a game where 6 side shots all bounced lol, why keep trying, cause i found it funny that it was that poor in penning, the red tank even choose to Re-focus his fire to a different green tank since i was bouncing like a skippy ball. I found that pretty funny even teksted the other player saying how funny i found that he refocussed, to get a response from him saying i need to shoot more prem lol.

But the Object 430 II, that's a jewel, wich I'm close on 2 marking, that will be a quest 3 marking even with prem i expect a hard job, so I'm game on that !

Once I have the 90% mark full prem will be a thing. But once i have that 3rd i will drop back to 10 prems.


SandM9 #31 Posted 21 August 2019 - 05:00 PM

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What else am I supposed to do with all this silver?

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Potato QQ #32 Posted 21 August 2019 - 05:34 PM

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AP should loose pen volume the further it shot.

Bullet drop should be higher and more realistic 

 

Remove APCR.

 

Problem solved. 



Very Classy #33 Posted 21 August 2019 - 05:56 PM

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Outside of Arty or the Deathstar, which I don't see a reason to not use the premium ammo, I find Standard ammo to be adequate enough for the job. There are exceptions, but most of the time I'm firing standard rounds.

 

Since my current goal is grinding Tech Trees, Silver is pretty important to me. I attempt to stay profitable playing TT VIIIs and IXs.



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TocFanKe4 #34 Posted 21 August 2019 - 07:34 PM

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View PostCatSnipah, on 21 August 2019 - 07:05 AM, said:

Actually....no, not in every single case. 

 

APCR loses pen over distance, moreso than AP. 

 

HEAT is weak against spaced armor. 

 

So, no, it is not always better. Thus, just spamming it blindly without tactical consideration is not smart. 

 

There is no distance in the game at which APCR pen loss fully compensates for AP having lower pen to start, except for like 2-3 low tier guns.  There have been a few threads about this in the past.  APCR will practically always have more pen at every distance you shoot. 

 

BUT, there is normalization difference.  So if that armor you're hitting is angled at all, there is a chance that AP will pen at distance when APCR won't. 

 

I run APCR exclusively in all tanks that have it as premium ammo unless there is a specific advantage for a different ammo type.  I'll shoot it on tanks where APCR is standard and HEAT premium.  The increased shell velocity makes it worth while.  You can't pen what you can't hit. 

 

The main time I use HEAT is when there is a significant pen advantage over the normal rounds.  I hate HEAT because it gets no normalization, has slow velocity most of the time, and there's a lot more spaced armor in the game than there used to be. 


 

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View PostThermalStone, on 21 August 2019 - 07:20 AM, said:

Shoot more premium APCR.  It's strictly better than regular AP in almost every situation.  Outside of a few low tier low caliber guns APCR pen drop at distance doesn't start to matter until 600 or 700m in a game where 95 percent of shooting happens at less than 500m.  The normalization with angles problem only happens on rare occasions with stray shots.  APCR has higher velocity as well, making it easier to hit moving targets at long distance.  All it costs is silver.  I normally carry 40 to 60 percent APCR.

 

HEAT is a different story because of its lower shell velocity and poor performance against spaced armor.  Sometimes you have to think carefully about which shell to use based on the target.  Other times the difference in pen between the regular shell and the HEAT is so high that HEAT should be spammed at nearly everything (T-54 for instance.)

 

I didn't see this post before mine.  Basically exactly my thinking on the matter. 

 

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View PostImpulseOyster42, on 21 August 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

Why would you disadvantage yourself? Gold ammo is ALWAYS better.

 

View PostImpulseOyster42, on 21 August 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

 

Higher pen = easier damage = better.

'Nuff said.

 

Try firing HEAT into spaced armour.

 

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Latigo Morgan #37 Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:42 PM

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Never paid gold for premium ammo.

 

It's a tool, like anything else. Next thing you know, folks will be complaining about people using gun rammers to make their reload times faster.


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marinefish666 #38 Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:48 PM

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The monthly OP's spit out about 6 million silver.

How can you run low in this game unless you are buying new tanks?


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GroomingChief65 #39 Posted 21 August 2019 - 09:13 PM

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I'm still trying for third mark in the boilermaker so I only fire premium rounds exclusively. I have a premium account and win fairly consistently so i make silver anyway. But yea if I really wanted to rack up the silver and didn't care about DS I'd just switch to it as needed. I mean when top tier it's unnecessary but you will always pen more so it always increases your stats, I can mostly just play bully when top tier and carry.  

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View PostPrimalSeal1965, on 21 August 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

What's everyone's opinion on firing Gold Ammo every fired shot? Personally, I try not to use premium ammo every match. I guess it just depends on the tank and what tank I am firing at. What's your take? At any rate,I try to limit the amount of premium ammo I use...

 

 

 

I specialize in the use of APCR. If the APCR are gold, then I shoot exclusively gold.

By cons when Prammo are HEAT, I do not use it almost.

If the basic ammunition is APCR I have no reason to buy prammo.


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