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Kuruh #101 Posted 22 August 2019 - 05:42 PM

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View Postnatedaishmaster, on 22 August 2019 - 09:27 AM, said:

Double Post but I know that the stats on the 183 are balanced but it is a fundamentally broken tank. Exhibit A from our very own Max Chaos

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Seems pretty fair right

 

the conq only had 1400hp??? not broken a Jagpz will hit him for 1100 of that? no issue there.

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View PostHaukkis, on 22 August 2019 - 06:09 PM, said:

Still no buff for Object 268 v 4, Type 5 Heavy, Maus, Type 59, TOG, IS-6, KV-5 or  WZ-113G FT, or Italian line? And no re-designed maps, just spawns and bases are moved... R.I.P  :( Very disappointing update imo :(

 

Nope, why would they? They are all performing perfectly fine as intended. Also no need to nerf the OPAF premiums and tier X TD’s. Almighty spreadsheet is always right. 

 

But some lower tier French vehicles no one ever plays for longer than an hour desperately needed rebalancing!  

 

 

 

 

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I see 32 tanks with buffs/nerfs to their most competitive packages.  Of those, 25 are buffs and 7 are nerfs.  While I, too, would like to see more numerous changes, that seems like a reasonable balance of buffs to nerfs.

 

Here's my initial thoughts on the specific tanks:

T-34-2 - The pen buff for the 100mm is very welcome.

WZ-120 - The 100mm buffs are welcome, but the T-54 is still better in every significant way.
121 - The depression buff is welcome.

113 - The reload buff is small, but welcome.

H35 - Massive nerf - was it really that OP?  If so, then why wasn't the Pz.38H nerfed as well?
R35 - Massive nerf - again, was it really that OP?

AMX 30 Proto - Dispersion buff is welcome.

ARL V39 - Rotation and dispersion buffs are welcome.
Lorraine 40t - Health and rotation buffs are welcome.
Type 95 Heavy - Speed and armor buffs in exchange for penetration nerf should make it much more interesting to play.

Type 61 - I'm not a fan of the 90, even though it will be a laser beam, but the view range buff is definitely welcome.

Brick - All around firepower buff is welcome.
SpyGlass - Camo, rotation and dispersion nerfs.  Was it really OP?  I didn't think so.

Centrifuge - Rotation nerf is fine.  It was a little OP, imo.
Roundabout - All around firepower nerf.  Yes, it truly was OP and the nerfs are welcome.  I just hope they didn't go a bit too far.

KanonenJgPz - Firepower buffs are welcome.

Grille 15 - Dispersion buff is welcome, but I think what it truly needs is a Camo buff.

VK 28.01 - Dispersion buff is welcome.  I'm not a fan of the 5cm and it'll be a little buzz saw now with 2100 dpm!!!
Pvlvv fm/42 - The aim time and accuracy buffs are very welcome.
Strv 103-O - Rotation buff is welcome, but I'm not sure it'll do the trick.  Given the squishy hull a small camo buff, especially the fire penalty would be welcome.
Ikv 90 B - Pen buff is welcome.
S1 - Reload buff is welcome.
T3 HMC - The view range buff is very welcome.  The other buffs are nice too.
T22 Proto - The earn rate buffs will help new players get their early equipment sorted faster.  Good change.

M8A1 - 57mm reload buff is welcome, but it might need an aim time buff or dispersion after shot reduction to be able to aim between shots.
T21 - Dispersion and reload buffs are welcome.
T37 - Firepower buffs are welcome, but I'm thinking the T94 may be the better gun now.

T95 - I honestly never felt the 155mm gun was OP on that tank, but I don't think the changes will really make much difference considering the play style.
A-20 - Camo, view and firepower buffs are all very welcome.
A-32 - View, reload and dispersion buffs should make what was already a fun tank a very effective one indeed.
Champion M4 - Mobility and dispersion buffs are welcome.

Object 430U - Rotation and dispersion nerfs are fine.  It'll play a bit more like a fast heavy now.


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View PostTocFanKe4, on 22 August 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

They're buffing the Lorraine?  WOOOO!!!

 

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I WAS going to buy back the T28 Proto to grind the T28 and grind to the E3. But not now with the 155mm being nerfed now. That gun is already hitting more dirt then then a bulldozer(I use it on the T30 had a blow out match where I was only about to get four shots off and all for got dirt instead of the target I was aiming at). One of the rounds even hit outside of the aim circle. And now you make it even more inaccurate on the T95?? Why?

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By way of suggestions, here's a tank or two from each tier that I personally think could use some future buffing:

Tier 1 - T1 Cunningham.  It sucks since they removed the 20mm.  The 37mm is too wild.  Needs either better accuracy or a very low dispersion after shot to keep the burst tighter.
Tier 2 - G.Pz. Mk. VI (e) and Loyd Gun Carriage.  These two are really, really bad.  They both need their aim time improved to be of any real value in those fast moving tier 2 and 3 matches.  Also, ditch the +2 matchmaking on the T2 Light Tank.
Tier 3 - The M2 Medium Tank is really only playable with the derp gun.  The 37mm top package needs serious buffing.  Also, fix that Pz.IIJ matchmaking once and for all.  Just buff the pen and make it a tier 4 with +0 matchmaking.

Tier 4 - Alecto and M5 Stuart.  Alecto needs a wider gun arc.  M5 Stuart needs higher DPM to make up for the crappy gun.

Tier 5 - VK 16.02 and T-50.  Those two lights seem desperately short on firepower.  DPM may do the trick.
Tier 6 - MT-25 needs something.  I can't put my finger on it.  It's plenty fast, but that's all it's really got.  Also, make the Snakebite and T-50-2 tier 7 with PMM so they can platoon without messing up the matchmaking.

Tier 7 - AMX 13 75 needs a faster reload or better view range.  Right now it's just blah, imo.  SU-152 could use the Slayer's ammo choices as well.  Also, make the Lycan tier 8  with PMM so it doesn't mess up platoon matchmaking.
Tier 8 - LTTB and Brazilian both seem rather blah to me.  Mobility is fine.  Maybe DPM for the LTTB and Pen for the Brazil?
Tier 9 - T-54 ltwt and E 50.  The T-54 ltwt has been blah ever since the light tank rework.  The E 50 was over-nerfed - at least give some of aim time back, maybe 2.7?
Tier 10 - I hate to say it, but the Bat-Chat 155 58 is rather poor.  The slow reload and low splash/alpha really hold it back.  The 4 shot burst doesn't make up for it.
 


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View PostTempest fox3, on 22 August 2019 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

The stock gun. 

 

40 hit points more, 4 degrees/sec faster turning. 

 

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Nice to see the absolution got a well needed buff ...........

 

 

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View PostPontiac Pat, on 22 August 2019 - 01:53 PM, said:

By way of suggestions, here's a tank or two from each tier that I personally think could use some future buffing:

Tier 1 - T1 Cunningham.  It sucks since they removed the 20mm.  The 37mm is too wild.  Needs either better accuracy or a very low dispersion after shot to keep the burst tighter.
Tier 2 - G.Pz. Mk. VI (e) and Loyd Gun Carriage.  These two are really, really bad.  They both need their aim time improved to be of any real value in those fast moving tier 2 and 3 matches.  Also, ditch the +2 matchmaking on the T2 Light Tank.
Tier 3 - The M2 Medium Tank is really only playable with the derp gun.  The 37mm top package needs serious buffing.  Also, fix that Pz.IIJ matchmaking once and for all.  Just buff the pen and make it a tier 4 with +0 matchmaking.

Tier 4 - Alecto and M5 Stuart.  Alecto needs a wider gun arc.  M5 Stuart needs higher DPM to make up for the crappy gun.

Tier 5 - VK 16.02 and T-50.  Those two lights seem desperately short on firepower.  DPM may do the trick.
Tier 6 - MT-25 needs something.  I can't put my finger on it.  It's plenty fast, but that's all it's really got.  Also, make the Snakebite and T-50-2 tier 7 with PMM so they can platoon without messing up the matchmaking.

Tier 7 - AMX 13 75 needs a faster reload or better view range.  Right now it's just blah, imo.  SU-152 could use the Slayer's ammo choices as well.  Also, make the Lycan tier 8  with PMM so it doesn't mess up platoon matchmaking.
Tier 8 - LTTB and Brazilian both seem rather blah to me.  Mobility is fine.  Maybe DPM for the LTTB and Pen for the Brazil?
Tier 9 - T-54 ltwt and E 50.  The T-54 ltwt has been blah ever since the light tank rework.  The E 50 was over-nerfed - at least give some of aim time back, maybe 2.7?
Tier 10 - I hate to say it, but the Bat-Chat 155 58 is rather poor.  The slow reload and low splash/alpha really hold it back.  The 4 shot burst doesn't make up for it.
 

 

LTTB is very good. A buff would make it too silly.

 

The BC 155 58 is relatively weak. I enjoy playing it anyway, because the turret and mobility. I'd give up the autoloader, if I could keep the turret and mobility and gain better DPM with a single loader. 



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View PostPontiac Pat, on 22 August 2019 - 01:53 PM, said:

By way of suggestions, here's a tank or two from each tier that I personally think could use some future buffing:

Tier 1 - T1 Cunningham.  It sucks since they removed the 20mm.  The 37mm is too wild.  Needs either better accuracy or a very low dispersion after shot to keep the burst tighter.
Tier 2 - G.Pz. Mk. VI (e) and Loyd Gun Carriage.  These two are really, really bad.  They both need their aim time improved to be of any real value in those fast moving tier 2 and 3 matches.  Also, ditch the +2 matchmaking on the T2 Light Tank.
Tier 3 - The M2 Medium Tank is really only playable with the derp gun.  The 37mm top package needs serious buffing.  Also, fix that Pz.IIJ matchmaking once and for all.  Just buff the pen and make it a tier 4 with +0 matchmaking.

Tier 4 - Alecto and M5 Stuart.  Alecto needs a wider gun arc.  M5 Stuart needs higher DPM to make up for the crappy gun.

Tier 5 - VK 16.02 and T-50.  Those two lights seem desperately short on firepower.  DPM may do the trick.
Tier 6 - MT-25 needs something.  I can't put my finger on it.  It's plenty fast, but that's all it's really got.  Also, make the Snakebite and T-50-2 tier 7 with PMM so they can platoon without messing up the matchmaking.

Tier 7 - AMX 13 75 needs a faster reload or better view range.  Right now it's just blah, imo.  SU-152 could use the Slayer's ammo choices as well.  Also, make the Lycan tier 8  with PMM so it doesn't mess up platoon matchmaking.
Tier 8 - LTTB and Brazilian both seem rather blah to me.  Mobility is fine.  Maybe DPM for the LTTB and Pen for the Brazil?
Tier 9 - T-54 ltwt and E 50.  The T-54 ltwt has been blah ever since the light tank rework.  The E 50 was over-nerfed - at least give some of aim time back, maybe 2.7?
Tier 10 - I hate to say it, but the Bat-Chat 155 58 is rather poor.  The slow reload and low splash/alpha really hold it back.  The 4 shot burst doesn't make up for it.
 

not really caring about things under tier 5. 

 

13 75 is a lot of fun the way it is. not sure why it needs a buff. SU-152 doesn't need a buff either. more the Slayer should get a nerf (yes prems should be nerfed as well, WG can nerf them at any time and you wouldn't be able to do anything about it so stop whining about that) Lycan should be tier 8. where it belongs.

 

so getting more BHP and better GD isn't enough for the LTTB? M41BB should get AP rounds for it instead of the terrible HEP rounds it gets (replace the standard round)

 

T-54 ltwt also got a engine buff as well and see a lot more of them along the 13 90s. more than the T49 and the other lights. E50 was a bit overnerfed but still should get a mobility nerf in trade as it really shouldn't get that 1200BHP engine. Neither should the E75 (drop that to 1050)

 

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View Postduc888sps, on 22 August 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:

Nice to see the absolution got a well needed buff ...........

 

 

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but thankfully the spyglass was nerfed

 

 



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View Postduc888sps, on 22 August 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:

Nice to see the absolution got a well needed buff ...........

 

 

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You actually made me check if they buffed it lol :P

 

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H35 - Massive nerf - was it really that OP?  If so, then why wasn't the Pz.H35 nerfed as well?
R35 - Massive nerf - again, was it really that OP?

 

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View PostTocFanKe4, on 22 August 2019 - 07:17 PM, said:

 

You actually made me check if they buffed it lol :P

 

How much of a crazy meltdown would the forum have if they actually did such a thing? 

 

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View PostTocFanKe4, on 22 August 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

They're buffing the Lorraine?  WOOOO!!!

 

Haha yeah I thought so too xD

View PostSchiavoser, on 22 August 2019 - 03:53 PM, said:

It's kind of annoying they spend any time considering and changing balance of low tier tanks like the the French H35 and R35 and the Swedish Pvlvv fm/42, etc. Players might spend less than an hour playing through those vehicles. Wish they balanced a few other, more interesting tanks instead.

 

Tbh i think some nerfs regarding stupid uparmored low tier french tanks were about time since they can be frustrating to fight esp. for new players


 

 

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Hello,

 

As a french tanks fan, happy to see that AMX 30 buffed.

 

But the Lorr buff ? I will walk on water now.



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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 22 August 2019 - 02:10 PM, said:

not really caring about things under tier 5. 

 

13 75 is a lot of fun the way it is. not sure why it needs a buff. SU-152 doesn't need a buff either. more the Slayer should get a nerf (yes prems should be nerfed as well, WG can nerf them at any time and you wouldn't be able to do anything about it so stop whining about that) Lycan should be tier 8. where it belongs.

 

so getting more BHP and better GD isn't enough for the LTTB? M41BB should get AP rounds for it instead of the terrible HEP rounds it gets (replace the standard round)

 

T-54 ltwt also got a engine buff as well and see a lot more of them along the 13 90s. more than the T49 and the other lights. E50 was a bit overnerfed but still should get a mobility nerf in trade as it really shouldn't get that 1200BHP engine. Neither should the E75 (drop that to 1050)

 

BC 58 buff? No. Just No.

The Slayer doesn't need a Nerf unless the tech tree SU-152 were to get one as well (and honestly neither needs a Nerf). Also, if the Brazilian Bulldog was given AP shells than the M41 90 would be completely irrelevant.


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View PostJAG THE GEMINI, on 22 August 2019 - 02:23 PM, said:

 

Haha yeah I thought so too xD

 

Tbh i think some nerfs regarding stupid uparmored low tier french tanks were about time since they can be frustrating to fight esp. for new players

 

Well, I don't really believe in the phenomenon of "seal-clubbing." I think it's more of a myth than an actual threat to the community. But even if that was the concern, even the worst experience at Tier II won't last long. Players earn enough XP to graduate to the next tier very quickly.

 

Meanwhile, there are tanks that are a menace -- such as Sexton (USA), Pz V/IV, Absolution -- for many more game hours, because it takes that much longer to move past the brackets in which they appear. Those broken tanks aren't touched.



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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 22 August 2019 - 07:10 PM, said:

not really caring about things under tier 5. 

 

13 75 is a lot of fun the way it is. not sure why it needs a buff. SU-152 doesn't need a buff either. more the Slayer should get a nerf (yes prems should be nerfed as well, WG can nerf them at any time and you wouldn't be able to do anything about it so stop whining about that) Lycan should be tier 8. where it belongs.

 

so getting more BHP and better GD isn't enough for the LTTB? M41BB should get AP rounds for it instead of the terrible HEP rounds it gets (replace the standard round)

 

T-54 ltwt also got a engine buff as well and see a lot more of them along the 13 90s. more than the T49 and the other lights. E50 was a bit overnerfed but still should get a mobility nerf in trade as it really shouldn't get that 1200BHP engine. Neither should the E75 (drop that to 1050)

 

BC 58 buff? No. Just No.

 

Brazil doesn't need an AP round. If you give it an AP round the Hellhound/M41 90 become irrelevant. 


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View PostTempest fox3, on 22 August 2019 - 02:58 PM, said:

 

Brazil doesn't need an AP round. If you give it an AP round the Hellhound/M41 90 become irrelevant. 

 

Lol. No it really wouldn't. 

 

View PostFusionStar287, on 22 August 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

The Slayer doesn't need a Nerf unless the tech tree SU-152 were to get one as well (and honestly neither needs a Nerf). Also, if the Brazilian Bulldog was given AP shells than the M41 90 would be completely irrelevant.

 

Why shouldn't either get a nerf? We never needed a prem SU (Or KV-2) in the 1st place.

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