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CamaroGuy96 #21 Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:49 PM

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 22 August 2019 - 03:30 PM, said:

 

First mistake there, Expecting the Newer M48A5 Turret, Always expect the Older Versions :)

They could have at least given it an HD model with gear and machine guns and such. Make it cool looking.


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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 22 August 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

even the 350 HEAT? isn't that the definition of P2W? 

How is having an extra 10-20mm of premium pen than other tier X mediums pay to win? How often is 350mm of pen going to go through armor that 330mm of pen wouldn't go through as well? Your comment makes no sense here.


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View PostCamaroGuy96, on 22 August 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

They could have at least given it an HD model with gear and machine guns and such. Make it cool looking.

Or they could have simply added a giant spotlight to the front of its turret. :trollface:


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View PostFusionStar287, on 22 August 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

How is having an extra 10-20mm of premium pen than other tier X mediums pay to win? How often is 350mm of pen going to go through armor that 330mm of pen wouldn't go through as well? Your comment makes no sense here.

 

A upgraded pen is still better over the normal pen of the others which means you are paying for a upgraded version of it. So yes that is P2W. Even if it is a small buff to the others.

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 22 August 2019 - 04:00 PM, said:

 

A upgraded pen is still better over the normal pen of the others which means you are paying for a upgraded version of it. So yes that is P2W. Even if it is a small buff to the others.

You can't just say that one stat is better than other tanks so therefore that tank is pay-2-win (otherwise you could say that the Snakebite is Pay-2-win because its top speed is faster than any other tank). If the M60 was identical to the M48 in every way but it had better pen then you could possibly make that argument, but if it's added with its PC stats it gains disadvantages with its advantages and therefore most certainly isn't pay-2-win.


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I will get it just like i got the Vk, and once again i got more than enough free Xp so i dont have to convert, and if it is buffed compared to the Pc version i am fine with that, there are to many Op  Wacky Races "tanks", so lets hope this can get some balance for the real tanks, i hope they will release more of the special tanks because i see it as an achivement to get them without paying.

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View PostFusionStar287, on 22 August 2019 - 09:05 PM, said:

You can't just say that one stat is better than other tanks so therefore that tank is pay-2-win (otherwise you could say that the Snakebite is Pay-2-win because its top speed is faster than any other tank). If the M60 was identical to the M48 in every way but it had better pen then you could possibly make that argument, but if it's added with its PC stats it gains disadvantages with its advantages and therefore most certainly isn't pay-2-win.

 

I thought we all "agreed" the snakebite IS p2w because of unique crew skill.

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View PostFusionStar287, on 22 August 2019 - 04:05 PM, said:

You can't just say that one stat is better than other tanks so therefore that tank is pay-2-win (otherwise you could say that the Snakebite is Pay-2-win because its top speed is faster than any other tank). If the M60 was identical to the M48 in every way but it had better pen then you could possibly make that argument, but if it's added with its PC stats it gains disadvantages with its advantages and therefore most certainly isn't pay-2-win.

 

So it's ok if only parts of the tank aren't as good? Nice meme.

 

 

View PostDrHorrible4Life, on 22 August 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

 

I thought we all "agreed" the snakebite IS p2w because of unique crew skill.

 

The skill is P2W. The tank isn't. It is annoying as [edited]though.

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View PostDrHorrible4Life, on 22 August 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

 

I thought we all "agreed" the snakebite IS p2w because of unique crew skill.

I don't even have a problem with the Snakebite skill honestly, but even if it was some massively OP skill like "This skill cuts your reload in half" that would still make the skill pay-2-win, not the tank that came with it.


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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 22 August 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

 

So it's ok if only parts of the tank aren't as good? Nice meme.

So, are you saying that if the M60 is released with a 20kph top speed, a 30 second base reload, and worse armor than it has on PC, but it has 350mm of HEAT pen then it would be pay-2-win because it has the highest pen of any tier X medium/heavy? Because while that's obviously very exaggerated that's essentially what you're arguing.


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View PostFusionStar287, on 22 August 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

So, are you saying that if the M60 is released with a 20kph top speed, a 30 second base reload, and worse armor than it has on PC, but it has 350mm of HEAT pen then it would be pay-2-win because it has the highest pen of any tier X medium/heavy? Because while that's obviously very exaggerated that's essentially what you're arguing.

 

I'm saying that giving it higher pen is a BAD idea to do even if WG did all of those it shouldn't get higher pen because of it. It's stupid and tells WG to do more dumb things like that in the future. would you say the same for the 257 E and it was buffed over the PC's version? I bet not. Moral of the story. Don't do it. as it will encourage WG to do it more and more to the point where all the other mediums will need it as well


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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 22 August 2019 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

I'm saying that giving it higher pen is a BAD idea to do even if WG did all of those it shouldn't get higher pen because of it. It's stupid and tells WG to do more dumb things like that in the future. would you say the same for the 257 E and it was buffed over the PC's version? I bet not. Moral of the story. Don't do it. as it will encourage WG to do it more and more to the point where all the other mediums will need it as well

I actually agree that WG shouldn't really keep adding higher and higher pen premium ammo, but at the same time the M60 seems to be an exception to the rule (after all, on PC it was one of the earliest tier X reward tanks added) and giving it 350mm of HEAT pen would certainly not make it Pay-2-Win.


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View PostFusionStar287, on 22 August 2019 - 09:21 PM, said:

I don't even have a problem with the Snakebite skill honestly, but even if it was some massively OP skill like "This skill cuts your reload in half" that would still make the skill pay-2-win, not the tank that came with it.

 

My comment was meant to be quite heavily tongue-in-cheek.  I put agreed in quotes, but definitely should have included emojis for greater clarity.  So.....

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View PostDrHorrible4Life, on 22 August 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

 

My comment was meant to be quite heavily tongue-in-cheek.  I put agreed in quotes, but definitely should have included emojis for greater clarity.  So.....

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Ah, I see. I just remember a ton of people at the time making a major deal of how "game breaking" the snakebite skill would be so I couldn't be sure if you were or weren't being sarcastic. 


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View PostFusionStar287, on 22 August 2019 - 04:35 PM, said:

I actually agree that WG shouldn't really keep adding higher and higher pen premium ammo, but at the same time the M60 seems to be an exception to the rule (after all, on PC it was one of the earliest tier X reward tanks added) and giving it 350mm of HEAT pen would certainly not make it Pay-2-Win.

 

It wasn't the only tank to have the pen buffed as well. VK 72.01 (K) was also done as well for it's HEAT round and the T95/Chieftain (the more broken version) had it's prem APCR (same gun as Chieftains) buffed as well and WG (from what i hear) is planning on doing it to the other CW tanks as well. We don't need that.

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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 22 August 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

 

It wasn't the only tank to have the pen buffed as well. VK 72.01 (K) was also done as well for it's HEAT round and the T95/Chieftain (the more broken version) had it's prem APCR (same gun as Chieftains) buffed as well and WG (from what i hear) is planning on doing it to the other CW tanks as well. We don't need that.

That much I do agree on (that tanks shouldn't be unnecessarily buffed simply because they're rare or premiums). Honestly I don't really care if the M60 gets 330mm or 350mm of HEAT pen, as both will be plenty in nearly every engagement without either offering that notable of an advantage. I still won't have an issue with the M60 arriving with 350mm of premium pen, though, as long as it remains the exception rather than the rule.


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Bouncing shots is lame; more pen makes for more fun.  Real skill in Wot is not being hit at all.  All enemy tanks could have 500mm pen and unicums would still be unicum.  

 

Anyway, I am glad I have 893k free XP saved up.  Looking forward to this tank and snapshotting with HEAT.


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View PostThermalStone, on 22 August 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

Bouncing shots is lame; more pen makes for more fun.  Real skill in Wot is not being hit at all.  All enemy tanks could have 500mm pen and unicums would still be unicum.  

 

Anyway, I am glad I have 893k free XP saved up.  Looking forward to this tank and snapshotting with HEAT.

 

People say that. until they start taking hits kek. 

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So what's gonna be the point of the 48?  

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View PostDrHorrible4Life, on 22 August 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

So what's gonna be the point of the 48?  

Simply put (again, assuming that the M60 will have nearly identical stats to the PC version), the M60 will be quite a bit faster (capped to 60kph), more mobile, and faster to accelerate, will have better accuracy and slightly better gun handling, and will share most other stats, but the M48 will still have significantly better armor (as the M60 has the very old M48 turret armor that has a massive cupola and is easily penned in most places on the turret) as well as a slightly better ROF. Think of the M60 as a slower and bigger Leopard 1 with the M48's gun handling, or as a very agile M48 that loses its armor.


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